Pre-Game Talk: Week to Make a Choice (TB, NJ, @CBJ)
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What a stupid interview. Who the hell cares about Seth Jones? Do they really need to spend 5 minutes talking about the guy?
tigervixxxen
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That was the question. "How is Nate Guenin playing". Of course he's going to defend him.
Only thing out of that interview I got was Varly likes to take shots in the morning, hence why they have morning skates.
Only thing out of that interview I got was Varly likes to take shots in the morning, hence why they have morning skates.
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They know Guenin has been bad but still see him as a 6/7/8. Sigh. Talk about low standards. I wouldn't even want him on the bottom pairing in the AHL.
I hope you weren't expecting him to bash the guy. It's not Roy's style. The best thing he could say about Nate was that he's a "good pro, works hard". That tells you all you need to know.
He's a UFA after this season. I would be surprised if he's back, and if he is brought back, I'll be angry with everyone else.
The only interesting thing to come out of Roy's comments about Jones was him mentioning how hard it is to find defensemen. There's no way the Avs are trading Zadorov or Bigras, folks.
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tigervixxxen
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He even said Guenin is "in the wrong chair". I don't have a problem with what he said about Guenin. It's more not addressing what the hell is going on, what's the plan, what's the timeline for these supposed changes. Of course he was asked none of this. And I get it about Guenin, he knows what he's going to get out of him, he's been here a long while now, yada yada. I get why he is in the lineup but there is absolutely zero logical explanation for getting a guy on waivers and playing him more than your collection of soldiers, those hard working "pros" that have been here all year. It goes against EVERYTHING Roy has done and preached in his 2.5 years here.
Seems like Dreessen wants questions so next week tweet some to @joeldreessen He's an ex-Bronco so don't assume he knows much about hockey when constructing your queries however.
Seems like Dreessen wants questions so next week tweet some to @joeldreessen He's an ex-Bronco so don't assume he knows much about hockey when constructing your queries however.
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Roy probably wanted to see what they acquired in Bodnarchuk since he was going to be a part of the team for a bit. Also probably combined with somebody eventually moving out of the AHL or big club at some point. It would have been more of a waste to just sit Bodnarchuk in press box and never see him in a game situation.
tigervixxxen
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I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop so there isn't much sense trying to put the pieces together without all the information. Playing him is one thing but not having one person in the entire organization that can play next to Beauch when EJ is out does not make any logical sense either.
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I'd say there are and have been trying to correct that. There isn't much depth on the defense and what there is, isn't ready.
I'd say the Avs are probably waiting to see how EJ and Stuart progress over the next few days before doing something on the 50 contracts/Gormley/Siemens/depth defensemen situation.
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cgf
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Joe is clearly trying to goad Patrick into quitting out of anger...only explanation given what I've read on here.
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Only because I'm watching "Boston Legal" right now (off work, haven't been successful yet in finding a new job, burning through some recently old TV shows)...but I heard this in the voice of....Denny Crane!
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Roy can't possibly like Holden, Holden's actually good, and Patrick only likes players who suck.
Well it seems Roy is coming around more to the idea that Corsi holds value and is a possession proxy which is good.
What he's saying about players shooting from wherever to "pump" their Corsi - if that's happening it's unfortunate because Corsi isn't something that teams or players should "try" for - it's the same fallacy people who are so opposed to advanced stats seems to fall into - the "well if it's so important shoot from everywhere, quality of shots don't matter, etc" which is clearly not the case at all. Having a strong Corsi% is something that comes with being a team that does well possessing the puck, not the other way around where strong Corsi% comes from actively just trying to take more shots than the other team for the sake of pumping a statistic.
I do think Roy understands THAT and can use those numbers to see nights they're possessing well and nights they aren't and adjusting based on that, which I think he's certainly doing a lot more now than he did before, and clearly he's looking at the numbers which is great too.
Hopefully he can pass that understanding along if players are just trying to pump their stats - and it does make me curious as to how aware of advanced stats the majority of players in the NHL are and how much it does or doesn't affect their game.
What he's saying about players shooting from wherever to "pump" their Corsi - if that's happening it's unfortunate because Corsi isn't something that teams or players should "try" for - it's the same fallacy people who are so opposed to advanced stats seems to fall into - the "well if it's so important shoot from everywhere, quality of shots don't matter, etc" which is clearly not the case at all. Having a strong Corsi% is something that comes with being a team that does well possessing the puck, not the other way around where strong Corsi% comes from actively just trying to take more shots than the other team for the sake of pumping a statistic.
I do think Roy understands THAT and can use those numbers to see nights they're possessing well and nights they aren't and adjusting based on that, which I think he's certainly doing a lot more now than he did before, and clearly he's looking at the numbers which is great too.
Hopefully he can pass that understanding along if players are just trying to pump their stats - and it does make me curious as to how aware of advanced stats the majority of players in the NHL are and how much it does or doesn't affect their game.
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Holden has been such a bright spot this year. I wouldn't go as far as to call him a bonafide #4 but he has been playing the role really well...
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Roy's issue with advanced stats were the same issues I always used to point out. With how important they're becoming they will start being used by players instead of management only. Guys who are looking to get paid are going to start focusing on getting those advanced stats up instead of playing their own game.
I mean to some extent that will only go so far and is baked into Corsi/Fenwick etc. I mean, nobody is going to earn a massive contract because they have a 60%CF but only scored 5 goals the whole season because all they cared about was taking shots instead of actually trying to score.
On the other hand, if a guy is just taking shots willy-nilly to bump up his shots-for, then he's likely causing a ton of turnovers, leading to shots against while he's on the ice, nullifying his shots-for in his crusade to pump his advanced stats.
The only place this is more realistically a problem is would be for highly defensive-minded forwards, but if a guy who is a defensive specialist can take a ton of shots without causing a ton of turnovers/counter attacks and does have a high CF%, well that's sort of what you want out of a defensive or checking forward, to possess and minimize possession the other team has.
I can see the argument for how it could get into players heads and make them get off their game, and there's where I see even more importance in coaching/management understanding the advanced stats so they can sit a player down if needed and basically explain how this isn't helping their cause, where it be because they're supposed to be a goal scorer but aren't actually scoring because of it, or if they're trying to pump Corsi but are actually doing the opposite because they don't understand the flip side of it.
On the other hand, if a guy is just taking shots willy-nilly to bump up his shots-for, then he's likely causing a ton of turnovers, leading to shots against while he's on the ice, nullifying his shots-for in his crusade to pump his advanced stats.
The only place this is more realistically a problem is would be for highly defensive-minded forwards, but if a guy who is a defensive specialist can take a ton of shots without causing a ton of turnovers/counter attacks and does have a high CF%, well that's sort of what you want out of a defensive or checking forward, to possess and minimize possession the other team has.
I can see the argument for how it could get into players heads and make them get off their game, and there's where I see even more importance in coaching/management understanding the advanced stats so they can sit a player down if needed and basically explain how this isn't helping their cause, where it be because they're supposed to be a goal scorer but aren't actually scoring because of it, or if they're trying to pump Corsi but are actually doing the opposite because they don't understand the flip side of it.
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