Player Discussion Weber - puck-moving or stay-at-home D-man?
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Weber is not a puck moving defenseman that's for sure.
He's a stay at home D with a bullet shot. That's where his offense is generated. He doesn't have a good first pass or has skating ability with the puck.
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He's neither, really. He's a 1st pairing defensive defenseman who makes all the smart plays and has one of the most lethal powerplay weapons in the league with that shot. There's not much "stay at home" about him unless the puck is already in our zone, though, as his strengths include pinching to keep pucks in the offensive zone, stepping up in the neutral zone/at the blueline to force dump-ins, and being the guy who dumps the puck in off the rush for our forecheckers.
A "classic" SAH defenseman would always be behind the play with everything developing in front of them and not really participating in getting the puck up the ice, but "even Weber" is more dynamic than simply that.
A "classic" SAH defenseman would always be behind the play with everything developing in front of them and not really participating in getting the puck up the ice, but "even Weber" is more dynamic than simply that.
Weber is not a puck moving defenseman that's for sure.
He's a stay at home D with a bullet shot. That's where his offense is generated. He doesn't have a good first pass or has skating ability with the puck.
He isn't either... he's a solid all around D
Weber has a great first pass...
He just won't create anything on the offensive zone by passing and it's all mostly from his shot
He won't move up the ice with the puck either but he's first pass out is very good
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Not even close. Maybe a poor man's Blake would be closer (if only looking at Blake at his absolute peak, because "on average" Weber has him cleanly beat), but he's a super deluxe Adam Foote. Maybe even equivalent to two deluxe Adam Footes (Feete?).
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Well either you move the puck or you don't. Scoring goals on the PP doesn't make you a puck mover. Two way could have been added to the list and would fit Weber best.
I would not call him stay at home but he is closer to that than a real PMD. Realistically he is a two way dman producing offense on the PP. His production at even strength is nothing to write home about.
Weber finished 67th among dmen in the league for even strength points. Behind both Markov and Petry. Believe it or not he is behind Adam Larsson and equal to Brodin for even strength points. Weber had only 2 points more than Beaulieu at even strength. That's something ...
People need to wake up once and for all with Weber. At even strength he is a two way guy in the mold of Brodin and Larsson. His points mostly come from the PP.
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It's like you guys didn't even watch the team last year, when one of the most common break-outs in the 2nd half/playoffs involved a short pass to Markov deep in our zone after gaining possession, then Markov finding Weber cross-ice to beat the neutral zone pressure, followed by Weber being the one gaining the red line and dumping it in for our forecheckers.
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He's Shea Weber. Certainly not puck moving, and stay-at-home in the modern sense, but he is exactly what he is -- a big, tough D man who has good hockey IQ, and increasingly uses it to force the opponents to the outside and to have to take a big hit to make a play.
Offensively, he's way more mobile than people give him credit for. He's not gonna rush the puck, but he has good one touches, and in the O zone, he can certainly pass the puck, and set up for his bomb shot/pass it off.
There are many people who will choose not to see this because of the comparison to you know who, but I was also a doubter when he came in, and apart from the part of the season when everyone sucked, including Price, he did so many little things well that we haven't had in a D man, which help keep the puck out. He's good in all zones IMO.
I think he'll have a superb season this year. Lots of fire lit under him with NSH's success, and he's a guy who already plays at the highest level all the time.
Offensively, he's way more mobile than people give him credit for. He's not gonna rush the puck, but he has good one touches, and in the O zone, he can certainly pass the puck, and set up for his bomb shot/pass it off.
There are many people who will choose not to see this because of the comparison to you know who, but I was also a doubter when he came in, and apart from the part of the season when everyone sucked, including Price, he did so many little things well that we haven't had in a D man, which help keep the puck out. He's good in all zones IMO.
I think he'll have a superb season this year. Lots of fire lit under him with NSH's success, and he's a guy who already plays at the highest level all the time.
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Yeah. 2-way defenseman is maybe a better adjective for him. Shutdown guys don't score the amount of points he gets in any given season...
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He's neither of those things.
He's strong when he can rely on positional play, he is not when he has to chase someone around the zone. He can be physical but doesn't necessarily go looking to be. His shot from the blue line is, arguably, the leagues best but he cannot create offense himself rendering him one dimensional in the O-zone.
So if you're looking for a net-front presence in your own zone or someone to compliment and support a group of playmakers in the O-zone, Weber is your guy. If you want someone to disrupt play in the D-zone, skate with the puck and create scoring chances from the back end, then Weber is not your guy.
Oh yea, and character.
He's strong when he can rely on positional play, he is not when he has to chase someone around the zone. He can be physical but doesn't necessarily go looking to be. His shot from the blue line is, arguably, the leagues best but he cannot create offense himself rendering him one dimensional in the O-zone.
So if you're looking for a net-front presence in your own zone or someone to compliment and support a group of playmakers in the O-zone, Weber is your guy. If you want someone to disrupt play in the D-zone, skate with the puck and create scoring chances from the back end, then Weber is not your guy.
Oh yea, and character.
If you had to pick one, he is more of a SHD then he is a PMD. PMD are players that look for stretch passes to forwards in transition, which is not what Weber does. Like you said, he slows the game down with a pass to his partner and he gets it back for a dump in.
He is neither a PMD or a SHD. However he has no qualities of a PMD, so in this case I choose SHD.
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PMD look to move the puck up the ice whether it be an outlet pass or skating it out themselves, they will also rush the net when given the chance.
We literally just watched 4 PMD playing on 1 team for 2 weeks...
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