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Why FEL SEL wont generate one league? Two divisions and one champion! LETS DO THIS!
Why FEL SEL wont generate one league? Two divisions and one champion! LETS DO THIS!
Why FEL SEL wont generate one league? Two divisions and one champion! LETS DO THIS!
No interest? Fans would go ape **** for this.. SEL vs Liiga could be big productno will, no interest, no money, etc etc
No interest? Fans would go ape **** for this.. SEL vs Liiga could be big product
You see? Even Canadian NHL man would watch it. Can you but this in the biggest hockey forum in Sweden,,, And someone but this in Jatkoaika.com here in Finland... Lets do this
no will, no interest, no money, etc etc
Look, all euro hockey is based on domestic leagues and no-international competition. People governing hockey in euro countries are too conservative, they are afraid of changes. Of course, you need a lot of money to create such league, so maybe it is a reason as well.
This could work without breaking out into a new league by just intermixing the two top leagues (since Sweden in general is very conservative when it comes to sports and their leagues).
People governing hockey in euro countries are too conservative, they are afraid of changes.
KHL has power in euro hockey. Nothing will happen without KHL´s blessing. The same model as NHL, nothing will happen in hockey without NHL´s blessing.
Sure why not. If it's set up like the NHL with an Eastern/Western conference with little inter-conference I could see it work. To begin with the playoffs are for each nations national championship, before both champs go head to head in a seven game series for a Scandinavian Championship.
Except Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia
I think it's a great idea, but it would have to be something in it for the teams to play those extra games, else it would just be a boring exhibition game (Hell, I'd still wanna watch it).
Also not sure if I'm reading this right, but whoever made this (map below) thinks Luleå and Skellefteå should play in Liiga instead of SHL? I don't think that's a good idea and it would obviously never happen.
I'm not sure if that's even what's implied here tho, it's a ****** drawn map lol, no offense.
I like the idea anyway of the best team from SHL facing best team of Liiga for some sort of trophy. I'd watch those games.
My apology, you wrote only about Sweden and used term "very", I wrote about all euro hockey federations/leagues and used term "too".
In general, we wrote the same.
To your latest post, we can discuss it more closely.
1) We lack money
You need money to create such league, of course, if you want to increase level of game/non-hockey enviroment. I could agree that swedish clubs can afford it, but finnish does not.
All is about money and rich swedish clubs have problem to increase SHL to 14 clubs (as I read at HFB). Do you really think that they would merge or so SHL with SM-L? Rich SHL clubs does not want to lose their TV deals money... why should they want to? It is naive to think that tv revenues would increase 2+ times if both league merged.
Viasat will promote Jokerit-KHL as much as possible, at least in Finland. Finnish media as well, I bet on it. That means they wont be so interested in SML or merged SHL/SML. I have evidence from slovakia and czech rep and I know that media work the same in every country.
2) We dont have any interest
I have neved said that there is no interest of fans. Apparently there is not interest of others (media, clubs, federations etc). If there was interest, you would have merged league for decades.
Substitute interest by influence/power if you want. You know, nobody wants to lose its influence/power. We can see it with expansion of KHL towards Sweden/Europe in general. If there is such problem, you need to "persuade" people... I hope you know what I mean. If I were you, I would think about money or lack of money as you wrote.
One more time, I have never talked about lack of fan´s interest... there are other ways of interest in hockey.
3) KHL will rule us all anyway.
KHL has power in euro hockey. Nothing will happen without KHL´s blessing. The same model as NHL, nothing will happen in hockey without NHL´s blessing.
The most important thing here is conservatism. You need to fire all people, or at least all with power, involved in swedish/finnish hockey to create merge league. Dont undestand it as offensive or ignorant, because it is not. I just want to note that this ("fire all ppl") is not only about swedish/finnish hockey, it is about european hockey. Look, the same ppl have ruled swedish/finnish/euro hockey for decades, they have not created european league/competition or strong regional league/s (Nordic or Czech-slovak) ... why should I believe that the same ppl will do something positive (creation of nordic/euro league) in near future?? That does not make sense. Look at Russia, ppl from bussiness came to hockey and created KHL. New ppl.. who did not work in hockey or sport before KHL. You need "new ppl" in swedish/finnish hockey as well, if you want something new... good if they were from bussiness, "big" bussiness.
Hope this post is understandable for you.
LOL. I made this in about 30 seconds in paint. It wasnt meant to geographically correct but just show the league divided between Sweden and Finland. of course Luleå and Skellefteå would play in the SHL-division.
It was a bit more than "very" and "too" that set us apart. You don't know what conservatism means in term of Swedish hockey.
1) Please think about what you are writing. You are throwing stuff out without spending anytime actually trying to figure out what it means. In short: If you reach the roof in a market looking at revenue what do you do if you want to grow? You look towards new markets to expand to. Instead of a market of about 9 million you could reach a market around 15 million.
And who said anything about increasing revenue x2? Please just stop assuming stuff. I spoke about INCREASE of revenue.
Viasat is a Swedish company and if they had a chance to broadcast a merged finish Swedish top division they would. But it doesnt have to be Viasat, they don't broadcast SHL in Sweden - CMore does.
2) Wrong. You have it totally wrong. The clubs are open to most ideas that would better the product, most of the resistance and hesitance comes from the conservative fans. Try to understand WHY the picture in the second post includes the actual domestic leagues that already exists and not total new league.
And no, there would not have been a merged league for decades. Decades ago hockey wasn't commercialized as it is today and there was not any money to speak of at all in the sport, and there was no need for anything else. And many players were amateurs. Things develop you know. Societies develop, technic develop, economies develop, interests and needs develop, sports develop.
3) Nothing will happen in the KHL without the KHL:s blessing. That's it. SHL and SM-liga do what they want within their leagues and cross border cooperation no matter what the KHL think about it. If you believe otherwise you are delusional.
The last part in your post is just another example of how little facts yu actually got to back up your ramblins with. Do you actually know how Swedish ice-hockey is run and by who and who does what?
Both, the Finnish SM-liiga and the Swedish Hockey League got new TV contracts this year.
SHL signed a 4-year deal(2014/15-2017/18) with C More/TV4 reportedly worth ~325M SEK(~49M USD) a year. idrottensaffarer.se
SM-liiga signed a 5-year deal(2013/14-2017/18) with Sanoma Media/Nelonen and according to Savon Sanomat newspaper every team will receive between 900k-1.1M Euros(1.1M-1.4M USD) of TV money a year. savonsanomat.fi
SHL is a 12-team league, while SM-liiga is a 14-team league. SM-liiga is also going to lose arguably its most popular team after next season when Jokerit are scheduled to leave for the KHL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_More
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV4_Gruppen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanoma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelonen
3.That is your opinion, I respect it but dont agree. I have experiance with KHL, you dont. That says a lot.
You imagine the merge very simple, it does not work like that.
Stop saying me what should I do or what I dont/know. Thx
1) I read this thread, so I will use infos written here by swedish/finnish posters. I hope, they gave us correct infos.
SHL clubs have much better tv deal, much more tv money than SML clubs. Lets imagine merged league, 12 SHL + 14 (or 12) SML clubs. This league would be more advantageous for SML clubs which would get more tv money than now.
Nowadys (tv revenues)
SHL club gets 4,2M USD
SML club gets 1,5M USD
Merged (tv revenues) estimation based on status quo/24 clubs
club gets 3M USD
As I read at HFB (so pls dont ask me if I know how swedish ice-hockey is run, because I am using argument of swedish HFBoarders, including you) rich SHL clubs does not want to increase amount of clubs to 14. One of reasons is tv deal and it sharing, so two more clubs, less money for current SHL clubs. I see that clubs, they are just fine with status quo.
If SHL clubs does not want to share tv deal with two more swedish clubs from Allsvenskan, will they want to share it with 12 finnish clubs?? Yes, there will be bigger market, but it does not mean that tv deal will be good enough. If I were SHL clubs, I would not merge with SML, if I got less than 4M USD (status quo) from tv deals. Now, SHL gets 50M USD, SML cca 20M USD, right? You need at least 100M USD. As I understand it, SHL reached the roof of revenues, so this extra 30M USD tv money would have to be generated by finns. Are they able to do it? Especially without Jokerit?
Viasat can be a swedish company, but they are partner of KHL. I would not be suprised if they prefer established league (KHL) over some new project, if they saw better potential in KHL than in this new finnish-swedish league.
Yes, this CMore can broadcast this merged league, why not? Is the company able to increase tv revenues?
2.Did you read my post? I said I did not talked about fans.
You did not reply to my note about "losing power/influence".
The argument about developing is not a main reason why you dont have merged league with finns in your country. The more important reason is "losing power/influence".
3.That is your opinion, I respect it but dont agree. I have experiance with KHL, you dont. That says a lot.
You imagine the merge very simple, it does not work like that.
3.That is your opinion, I respect it but dont agree. I have experiance with KHL, you dont. That says a lot.
As icing and Jonimaus said, there is going to be no merged league of Sweden and Finland. So I can agree with this opinion.
I seriously doubt you understand half of what's been written because what you are comming with is very confusing and often debates a position no one has taken. Do us a favor and just quit.