Post-Game Talk: We are the ones who blow leads

[Tretyak 20]

Bratt hasn’t played well, but he’s also had the misfortune of playing with Gusev while he’s learning how to play in the NHL. That has really skewed his numbers I’m sure. Jack’s struggles in the first couple games is likely tied to being with Gusev too.

Jack's struggles are mostly a combination of being undersized and the fact that he's used to being far and away the best player on the ice. Give him time - he'll be fine.

 

[glenwo2]

If you want to use advanced metrics, @Blender , then look no further than Bratt's xGF% last season : 49.07% (an improvement from his rookie year where he got 45.59%)

And Steve said it best that Bratt's stats took a nosedive while on a line with Goose.

BTW, how did Goose do last game?


Anyway, I don't buy this horsecrap that Bratt has not played well.

First off, it's hard to get any traction going when you're only playing less than 9 minutes a game more often than not.

Also, whenever he was on the ice and got the puck, you always thought he was going to make something happen with a nifty pass or what-have-you.

He looked like the Bratt of his rookie year and last year.

Basically he looked the same which is Good.


What is happening is that the Team's horrendous losing has colored the views of many here and subconsciously placing blame wherever they can.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Bratt hasn’t played well, but he’s also had the misfortune of playing with Gusev while he’s learning how to play in the NHL. That has really skewed his numbers I’m sure. Jack’s struggles in the first couple games is likely tied to being with Gusev too.

Definitely. I don’t think anyone is claiming Bratt is a bad player, or even arguing he should sit.

Just that he needs to be better. He isn’t the only one either. A lot of our longer tenured guys have not been good enough.

 

[Blender]

I didn't say I don't understand them, actually. And as for not correlating, Bratt is pretty damn good example. According to advanced stats, he's one of the worst players in the league. That's just bull****. He hasn't played his best lately, but has been better than advanced stats indicate.

It says he has performed as one of the worst players in the league in the games he has played, I don't think that's completely unfair. It doesn't say he's one of the worst players in the league, it's a small sample size still so you can't draw huge conclusions off of that. It's like after the first 2 game Hughes numbers were horrible, like worst in the league bad, but they have greatly improved since that time. It's still so early in the season that a few good or bad games can have a large impact on the stats, in the same way someone scoring 3 or 4 points in a game can suddenly double their season total.

I also already posted earlier in this thread I think (or another one) that Gusev is a terrible anchor that has actually dragged Bratt down quite a bit, and dragged every player down he has played with.

 

[glenwo2]

It says he has performed as one of the worst players in the league in the games he has played, I don't think that's completely unfair. It doesn't say he's one of the worst players in the league, it's a small sample size still so you can't draw huge conclusions off of that. It's like after the first 2 game Hughes numbers were horrible, like worst in the league bad, but they have greatly improved since that time. It's still so early in the season that a few good or bad games can have a large impact on the stats, in the same way someone scoring 3 or 4 points in a game can suddenly double their season total.

I also already posted earlier in this thread I think (or another one) that Gusev is a terrible anchor that has actually dragged Bratt down quite a bit, and dragged every player down he has played with.

Oh! Was it you who put up that stat? I do remember it.

 

[Blender]

Oh! Was it you who put up that stat? I do remember it.

Yes, I have found it, it was earlier in this thread. Bratt still hasn't been great, but Gusev has been brutal.

Bratt with Gusev: 33.33 CF%, 34.88 SF%, 23.53 HDCF%, 25.94 xGF%
Bratt without Gusev: 40.91 CF%, 42.31 SF%, 57.14 HDCF%, 45.37 xGF%

Gusev is the worst anchor on the team at 5on5. He completely blows out there. Last in CF%, 4th last in SF%, last in HDCF%, last in xGF%, and he has the 3rd highest PDO on the team.

 

[glenwo2]

Yes, I have found it, it was earlier in this thread.

And man...does THAT make me feel dumb 'cause I recall fighting everyone regarding keeping Bratt and Gusev together. Smh.

 

[Tretyak 20]

It says he has performed as one of the worst players in the league in the games he has played, I don't think that's completely unfair. It doesn't say he's one of the worst players in the league, it's a small sample size still so you can't draw huge conclusions off of that. It's like after the first 2 game Hughes numbers were horrible, like worst in the league bad, but they have greatly improved since that time. It's still so early in the season that a few good or bad games can have a large impact on the stats, in the same way someone scoring 3 or 4 points in a game can suddenly double their season total.

I also already posted earlier in this thread I think (or another one) that Gusev is a terrible anchor that has actually dragged Bratt down quite a bit, and dragged every player down he has played with.

They're all just pieces of the puzzle. You can't rely on just one or two stats.

Gusev is actually a great example. What do you rely on? His advanced stats say he sucks. His points compared to TOI says he's one of the more effective forwards in the NHL. So what gives? Either he's incredibly lucky or he's a player with huge upside that isn't there yet.

I personally use the eye test for my determination. My eyes tell me he's an insanely talented player who is just starting to grasp how smaller ice changes the game (huge difference), and who lacks upper body strength.

With Bratt things should be even easier since he has an NHL track record. The advanced stats say he sucks. The eye test tells me he's having huge problems finding open ice (same as all our forwards this year under coach Dipshit's "system"). His track record says he's a damn fine two-way forward who belongs in the NHL. I say the advanced stats aren't telling the truth - just a mirage.

 

[Emperoreddy]

End of the day outside of the coaching issues. You need your best players to be your best players to win consistently. That isn’t happening here.

For most of the early games our best player was Coleman. Coleman is awesome. He should not be the best guy on the ice for this roster for multiple nights.

Last night Jack was our best. Again no matter how dynamic he is, he should not be tasked with being our best forward.

Our best players on most nights need to be Subban, Palms, Nico, Bratt, and especially Taylor Hall.

What is Hall at right now? One goal in eight games? For a guy looking to cash in, that isn’t nearly good enough.

 

[My3Sons]

At some point they will decide to track the puck being actually controlled all over the ice and that will be interesting. I’d be curious what control time stats would show.

 

[Nubmer6]

If you want to use advanced metrics, @Blender , then look no further than Bratt's xGF% last season : 49.07% (an improvement from his rookie year where he got 45.59%)

And Steve said it best that Bratt's stats took a nosedive while on a line with Goose.

BTW, how did Goose do last game?


Anyway, I don't buy this horsecrap that Bratt has not played well.

First off, it's hard to get any traction going when you're only playing less than 9 minutes a game more often than not.

Also, whenever he was on the ice and got the puck, you always thought he was going to make something happen with a nifty pass or what-have-you.

He looked like the Bratt of his rookie year and last year.

Basically he looked the same which is Good.


What is happening is that the Team's horrendous losing has colored the views of many here and subconsciously placing blame wherever they can.

I think you should change your name to glenbratt2

 

[glenwo2]

I think you should change your name to glenbratt2

Don't tempt me.

 

[Emperoreddy]

One thing Bratt needs to do is shoot more. His shot attempt numbers are way too low.

 

[Camille the Eel]

And now we have to wait another 5 days until the next game. And who's up next? (Checks schedule), Oh great, Tampa. Hopefully they'll take us for granted and get drunk the night before.

Yeah the schedule is really strange. You can’t tell much from 2 games with such layoffs before them. We won’t know until mid November whether we climb out of this hole or are going to stay there. First two weeks of November will be the test.

 

[glenwo2]

One thing Bratt needs to do is shoot more. His shot attempt numbers are way too low.

That is the one critique I absolutely 1000% agree with.

4 shots in 8 games is not going to cut it.

 

[devilsblood]

End of the day outside of the coaching issues. You need your best players to be your best players to win consistently. That isn’t happening here.

For most of the early games our best player was Coleman. Coleman is awesome. He should not be the best guy on the ice for this roster for multiple nights.

Last night Jack was our best. Again no matter how dynamic he is, he should not be tasked with being our best forward.

Our best players on most nights need to be Subban, Palms, Nico, Bratt, and especially Taylor Hall.

What is Hall at right now? One goal in eight games? For a guy looking to cash in, that isn’t nearly good enough.

1)Should Hall, who is coming back from a knee injury, be tasked with being our best player?

2)If Hughes is going to play like he did on Friday, I have no issue tasking him with being our best player. Now we should expect some inconsistency and we do need to put him in favorable spots, but I don't have an issue with leaning on him offensively.

 

[Emperoreddy]

1)Should Hall, who is coming back from a knee injury, be tasked with being our best player?

2)If Hughes is going to play like he did on Friday, I have no issue tasking him with being our best player. Now we should expect some inconsistency and we do need to put him in favorable spots, but I don't have an issue with leaning on him offensively.

Yes. Hall should he. It’s multiple games now after a preseason as well. This isn’t good enough from him.

Jack is awesome. He is also 19. He should not be carrying this team.

 

[NJDevs26]

Here's a radical thought, how about the Norris-winning defenseman be the best player carrying this team with 25+ difference making minutes a night? At least until Hall gets his *** in gear. So far Subban hasn't really done all that much other than the Ranger game.

 

[Devils731]

Jack is awesome. He is also 19. He should not be carrying this team.

It’s nit picky, but it also highlights how good Hughes is looking, he is still under 18.5 years old.

 

[Devils731]

Here's a radical thought, how about the Norris-winning defenseman be the best player carrying this team with 25+ difference making minutes a night? At least until Hall gets his *** in gear. So far Subban hasn't really done all that much other than the Ranger game.

When the Devils have cycled through a bunch of defenseman under Hynes and they all look like confused here then I don’t think any player can look good really.

 

[devilsblood]

Yes. Hall should he. It’s multiple games now after a preseason as well. This isn’t good enough from him.

Jack is awesome. He is also 19. He should not be carrying this team.

But what if Hall is still not 100%? He doesn't look it.

And of coarse Hughes shouldn't carry the team, but if he is going to play like he did on Friday, he is going to be our best offensive player. Hopefully that was a signal of him finding his groove, and not just a one off. Having tracked him for almost a year now, I suspect it's the former.

 

[VoidCreature]

Hughes is the future of this franchise. Receiving the right to draft him was the best thing to happen to this team since 2003.

Losing sucks right now but let's try not to forget that.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Here's a radical thought, how about the Norris-winning defenseman be the best player carrying this team with 25+ difference making minutes a night? At least until Hall gets his *** in gear. So far Subban hasn't really done all that much other than the Ranger game.

The thought of paying Subban and Hall 20+ million dollars a year combined isn’t something that sounds like a winning formula. At least he’s only signed for a couple years after this one.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

1)Should Hall, who is coming back from a knee injury, be tasked with being our best player?

Is he willing to re-sign with no raise? Then sure, he can keep playing the way he has, otherwise no thanks. He needs to be way better or get out (or resign for cheap which won't happen).

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

The thought of paying Subban and Hall 20+ million dollars a year combined isn’t something that sounds like a winning formula. At least he’s only signed for a couple years after this one.

This x1000. $20 milion is roughly what McDavid and Drai cost against the cap. Right now neither Hall nor Subban is playing on the level of Drai. Of course McDavid is multiple levels higher than Hall or Subban.