We are going to be a power house team.

[4Twenty]

They couldn’t even provide an example or date on when they would support Benning getting fired, I wouldn’t be optimistic for a response here

Logan hasn’t replied to me ever to my recollection. I might be on a list.

The Colorado comparison should also show that powerhouse’s don’t happen easy. 10 years post Sedin is 2027/28. If things go like Colorado maybe that’s when the powerhouse arrives.

 

[4Twenty]

I clarified that they were different situations and that the purpose of that list of players was to show that Benning still had players to work with. Either your reading comprehension is terrible, or you’re purposefully being obtuse here.

I’ll take the latter for $1000 Alex

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Maybe you should stop talking about Colorado then.

Hell ,I think I would trade Horvat, a busting Markstrom, 28 year old Edler and Tanev straight up for MacKinnon.

See my last post. It’s more about the players that Sakic has brought in to surround the core. Try to keep up next time.

 

[4Twenty]

Maybe you should stop talking about Colorado then.

Hell ,I think I would trade Horvat, a busting Markstrom, 28 year old Edler and Tanev straight up for MacKinnon.

Is Colorado currently a powerhouse? Yes.

Most of us fans would like to be in a situation like Colorado has been for 2+ seasons now.

How do the Canucks get there?

Instead of whining about criticism of Benning, tell us what you think is needed. If you think it’s already here tell us. Complaining that people worry the mgmt is holding the teams ability to turn into a powerhouse is not helping anybody.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

See my last post. It’s more about the players that Sakic has brought in to surround the core. Try to keep up next time.

"Compare their depth to ours and it’s obvious who the more prudent GM is."...You.​

 

[logan5]

So are you saying you think the team will be a powerhouse when? Put a date on it.

Ok. 22/23. Pettersson, Hughes, and Boeser will be in their prime. Horvat will still only be 27, Miller 29 and both still under good contacts. Hoglander and Podkolzin will have had some experience behind them, while still being under their ELC's. Plus that year we gain a lot of cap space when LE and Luongo, etc, expire, so we could add some help on D, to compliment Schmidt and Hughes, if Juolevi or Rathbone don't develop. Anyways, that's my prediction.

 

[4Twenty]

i think you need to consider that it is not worth engaging the opinions that hijack every thread in here to express complaints about management. you should particularly ignore opinions that somehow misinterpret things you say in the way that conveniently best facilitates complaining about benning and recycling a tired lists of grievances we have seen 10,000 times before in every thread.

the rest of us got what you are saying. this team obviously has a good future. it is a future worth talking about without regard for who the management will be. sadly, it is nearly impossible to do it in this subforum.

here's a good way to clear your head. go to the main board and find a canucks topic. ignore and do not read any canuck fan posting in the thread. you will get a short read that is a balanced optimistic take on the team and its future.

Yeah go read that thread on the main board who are gushing over the drafting. It’s 99 % pro Benning Canucks posters who are exaggerating a lot of things and saying “contracts go in two years”.

That thread would be less than a page if you took Canuck fans out if it.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

"Compare their depth to ours and it’s obvious who the more prudent GM is."...You.​

Yes. Much of their depth was acquired without giving up core pieces. Look at the acquisitions of Toews, Saad, Burakovsky, Donskoi, Nuke, Grubauer, etc.
I get it, man. You're used to seeing picks and valuable players given up for players like Vey, Baertschi, Gudbranson, Sutter, etc., that it's probably surprising to see other teams give up similar assets for useful players.

 

[Bonham]

I really don't see it.

We certainly have a handful of nice pieces but I don't see the team as anywhere close to putting it all together.

The defense is the biggest question mark moving forward and to me, it is just a mess. Edler is going to be 35 at the end of this season and a UFA to boot. The team is still at the point where they can not afford to lose him and expect to improve. Beyond Edler, the only real pieces they have moving forward are Hughes, Schmidt and Myers. This just isn't going to cut it if the team expects to contend for the playoffs, let alone the Stanley Cup.

Up front, I like the look of their top two lines however Miller will be 28 at the end of this season with two more years to go until UFA. If the team does not improve in this time frame then I think it is pretty realistic that he leaves and by this point, his best hockey will have already been played.

The bottom six is still an absolute anchor. There have been a few impressive individual efforts out of this group this season however it is still not a strength when comparing to some of the top teams around the league.

And finally, the prospect pool. For such a drafting genius, I really am not all that impressed by Benning's work. Podz will be a likely well-needed addition to this group however beyond this, things get lean very fast. The cupboard is barren as far as defensive prospects that are ready to step up and make an impact. For a team that has been as bad as the Canucks has been the last 7 years, they really have not positioned themselves well to build from within. The lack of depth is, and will continue to be, this team's downfall.

 

[rypper]

Yeah go read that thread on the main board who are gushing over the drafting. It’s 99 % pro Benning Canucks posters who are exaggerating a lot of things and saying “contracts go in two years”.

That thread would be less than a page if you took Canuck fans out if it.

A lot of bad information being spread in that thread too that's been long debunked here, no surprise to see a lot of the usual suspects liking the posts either.

 

[4Twenty]

A lot of bad information being spread in that thread too that's been long debunked here, no surprise to see a lot of the usual suspects liking the posts either.

Yup. Brackett not wanting Pettersson.

some people just need to maintain good vibes. Who needs the real story.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Yeah go read that thread on the main board who are gushing over the drafting. It’s 99 % pro Benning Canucks posters who are exaggerating a lot of things and saying “contracts go in two years”.

That thread would be less than a page if you took Canuck Benning fans out if it.

Fixed that for you.

 

[logan5]

You keep trying to move the goalposts here. I’m praising Sakic for the players he’s acquired, not the core he inherited. Even if you neglect the pieces he brought in by means of trading valuable players (O’Reilly, Duchene), he still brought in Toews, Saad, Burakovsky, Nuke, Donskoi, Grubauer, etc. without giving up major pieces. Compare their depth to ours and it’s obvious who the more prudent GM is.

I'm repeating myself but I'll say it again, it took the avalanche organization, combining 2 GM's, 10 years to build a "powerhouse" team. Not much more to be said.

 

[4Twenty]

I'm repeating myself but I'll say it again, it took the avalanche organization, combining 2 GM's, 10 years to build a "powerhouse" team. Not much more to be said.

It’s weird that you think Benning can do it in 5?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I'm repeating myself but I'll say it again, it took the avalanche organization, combining 2 GM's, 10 years to build a "powerhouse" team. Not much more to be said.

We're talking about Sakic's work as GM, especially in recent years. You want to deviate from that topic, fine, but that's what my original post was regarding.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I'm repeating myself but I'll say it again, it took the avalanche organization, combining 2 GM's, 10 years to build a "powerhouse" team. Not much more to be said.

Obviously,thats not what they want to hear.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Obviously,thats not what they want to hear.

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Well, at least I now know it's problems with your reading comprehension, and not being purposefully obtuse. At least you have a shred of integrity there.

 

[4Twenty]

Obviously,thats not what they want to hear.

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So doesn’t that 10 year number make you pause for projecting this one so soon.

I believe you’ve stated the Canucks didn’t start until the Sedins left.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Well, at least I now know it's problems with your reading comprehension, and not being purposefully obtuse. At least you have a shred of integrity there.

2008-09	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	32	45	0	1	4	69	0.421	199	257	1062	15429	Tony Granato	Out of Playoffs
2009-10	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	43	30	0	4	5	95	0.579	244	233	1027	13947	Joe Sacco	Lost in round 1
2010-11	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	30	44	0	7	1	68	0.415	227	288	1077	14820	Joe Sacco	Out of Playoffs
2011-12	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	41	35	0	4	2	88	0.537	208	220	0	15499	Joe Sacco	Out of Playoffs
2012-13	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	48	16	25	0	5	2	39	0.406	116	152	0	15445	Joe Sacco	Out of Playoffs
2013-14	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	52	22	0	4	4	112	0.683	250	220	891	16296	Patrick Roy	Lost in round 1
2014-15	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	39	31	0	8	4	90	0.549	219	227	0	16177	Patrick Roy	Out of Playoffs
2015-16	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	39	39	0	4	0	82	0.500	216	240	0	17032	Patrick Roy	Out of Playoffs
2016-17	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	22	56	0	2	2	48	0.293	166	278	0	14835	Jared Bednar	Out of Playoffs

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[4Twenty]

Is Colorado currently a powerhouse? Yes.

Most of us fans would like to be in a situation like Colorado has been for 2+ seasons now.

How do the Canucks get there?

Instead of whining about criticism of Benning, tell us what you think is needed. If you think it’s already here tell us. Complaining that people worry the mgmt is holding the teams ability to turn into a powerhouse is not helping anybody.

@logan5

You interested in answering this?


I know your projected top 6.

D in 22/23 is

Hughes (23), Myers (32), Schmidt (31), Juolevi (24), Rathbone (23)


How do you turn that into a powerhouse contender?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

2008-09	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	32	45	0	1	4	69	0.421	199	257	1062	15429	Tony Granato	Out of Playoffs
2009-10	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	43	30	0	4	5	95	0.579	244	233	1027	13947	Joe Sacco	Lost in round 1
2010-11	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	30	44	0	7	1	68	0.415	227	288	1077	14820	Joe Sacco	Out of Playoffs
2011-12	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	82	41	35	0	4	2	88	0.537	208	220	0	15499	Joe Sacco	Out of Playoffs
2012-13	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Northwest	48	16	25	0	5	2	39	0.406	116	152	0	15445	Joe Sacco	Out of Playoffs
2013-14	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	52	22	0	4	4	112	0.683	250	220	891	16296	Patrick Roy	Lost in round 1
2014-15	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	39	31	0	8	4	90	0.549	219	227	0	16177	Patrick Roy	Out of Playoffs
2015-16	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	39	39	0	4	0	82	0.500	216	240	0	17032	Patrick Roy	Out of Playoffs
2016-17	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	Central	82	22	56	0	2	2	48	0.293	166	278	0	14835	Jared Bednar	Out of Playoffs

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

How does this relate to the players Sakic has acquired in recent years?
I would say you're better than resorting to lazy strawman arguments, but...

 

[krutovsdonut]

Yeah go read that thread on the main board who are gushing over the drafting. It’s 99 % pro Benning Canucks posters who are exaggerating a lot of things and saying “contracts go in two years”.

That thread would be less than a page if you took Canuck fans out if it.

my point was that it would be a much better and more informative thread without reading any canuck fan posts. i didn't discriminate.

but thanks for turning even that simple point into another benning bashing discussion.

 

[4Twenty]

How does this relate to the players Sakic has acquired in recent years?
I would say you're better than resorting to lazy strawman arguments, but...

2nd rd picks traded by Benning:
1 - Linden Vey
2 - Sven Baertschi
3 - Brandon Sutter
4 - Erik Gudbranson
5 - Tyler Toffoli for 10 games (not a playoff difference maker to POM)

Sakic :
1- Grubauer
2 - Toews (2)
3 - Burakovsky


I think one group looks much better and only cost 4 picks not 5.

 

[bossram]

Yeah go read that thread on the main board who are gushing over the drafting. It’s 99 % pro Benning Canucks posters who are exaggerating a lot of things and saying “contracts go in two years”.

That thread would be less than a page if you took Canuck fans out if it.

LOL. This is the same crowd yelling "cap space doesn't matter" two years ago.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

LOL. This is the same crowd yelling "cap space doesn't matter" two years ago.

Who was saying that?