Way too early 2023 redraft (picks 4-13)

[QJL]

Perreault is still small and slow with no intangibles at a low-value position. He'd move up slightly but nowhere near the top 10.

This is just not correct.

He’s the most cerebral player from his draft not currently in the NHL, and maybe the best passer out of the whole class. He is a smidge small, he’s not slow, and he is the play driver on his line.

 

[MS]

This is just not correct.

He’s the most cerebral player from his draft not currently in the NHL, and maybe the best passer out of the whole class. He is a smidge small, he’s not slow, and he is the play driver on his line.

He's the prototype of the sort of player that fans on message boards rate exponentially higher than NHL GMs.

 

[QJL]

He's the prototype of the sort of player that fans on message boards rate exponentially higher than NHL GMs.

Every credible writer in hockey who has put out a list in 2024 disagrees with your skills assessment. All rank him as a top 15 prospect. Almost all have him in the top 10.

I challenge you to find one scout or writer who agrees with you.

This thread is evidence that people in the hockey community actually rank him higher than people on message boards.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Every credible writer in hockey who has put out a list in 2024 disagrees with your skills assessment. All rank him as a top 15 prospect. Almost all have him in the top 10.

I challenge you to find one scout or writer who agrees with you.

This thread is evidence that people in the hockey community actually rank him higher than people on message boards.

Out of curiosity, who are we going with?

I know he's been high on Button and Wheeler's lists, so you're not lying... But I'm more curious who else rates him highly, because Button and Wheeler are notorious for only taking stats into consideration.

 

[MS]

Every credible writer in hockey who has put out a list in 2024 disagrees with your skills assessment. All rank him as a top 15 prospect. Almost all have him in the top 10.

I challenge you to find one scout or writer who agrees with you.

This thread is evidence that people in the hockey community actually rank him higher than people on message boards.

Most of the 'credible writers' are just message board fans. Wheeler in particular.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Most of the 'credible writers' are just message board fans. Wheeler in particular.

Lol the only difference between most writers and message board scouts like us is they watch/write about these guys as a full time job...where as we have jobs AND do it lol

Unless you work for an NHL team or talk to people that do (Mckenzie), your opinion is just as good as anyones here.

 

[jfhabs]

Curious everyone is putting Dvorsky lower considering he's one of the youngest player from the draft, dominating OHL and did good for 2 x WJC20.

 

[PocketNines]

chuckling at Dvorsky having a great D+1 year and dropping on everyone's list, even falling off a few. this isn't really a useful exercise

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Curious everyone is putting Dvorsky lower considering he's one of the youngest player from the draft, dominating OHL and did good for 2 x WJC20.

chuckling at Dvorsky having a great D+1 year and dropping on everyone's list, even falling off a few. this isn't really a useful exercise

Well when every fan comes in and is praising how their teams prospect rose...someone's gotta fall lol.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

Musty should be on this list. He is leading his league in points per game.

 

[PocketNines]

Well when every fan comes in and is praising how their teams prospect rose...someone's gotta fall lol.

and apparently it's Dvorsky, due to the bias of who posted first. seems meaningful

 

[FlyguyOX]

chuckling at Dvorsky having a great D+1 year and dropping on everyone's list, even falling off a few. this isn't really a useful exercise

Well, he tried his luck at swedish pro hockey and did not thrive, and then joined a junior team where he's the third leading scorer (2nd by ppg). It doesn't give people the warm fuzzies. He does have his young age going for him, agree.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Dvorsky went 10 SHL games without a single point. Then comes to an OHL team with more than plenty of firepower. It contrasts the strength of the leagues and his ability to adapt to each of them.

For reference, if we're stat watching, Sudbury forward Musty's PPG average is notably higher than Dvorsky's with 10 more points in 1 more game played, and he was drafted 16 spots lower.

Axel Sandin-Pellikka, as a d-man for example, had 0.46 PPG in the SHL (18 pts in 39 games) and was on the verge of breaking a U-20 SHL d-man goal scoring record before the WJC + injury he sustained in it. He was drafted 7 spots behind Dvorsky. Mind you, he played last season in the league, but my point stands.

Not bashing Dvorsky, I just feel he will need more time than others to fulfill a bit longer of a development curve that he has. The patience with that will get the Blues a nice 2C IMO.

 

[PocketNines]

Well, he tried his luck at swedish pro hockey and did not thrive, and then joined a junior team where he's the third leading scorer (2nd by ppg). It doesn't give people the warm fuzzies. He does have his young age going for him, agree.

just outright laughter at the framing of Dvorsky as not even the best player on his team in a situation where he had a good WJC and then is dominating the OHL

 

[Our Lady Peace]

just outright laughter at the framing of Dvorsky as not even the best player on his team in a situation where he had a good WJC and then is dominating the OHL

Important nuance is that you're omitting his performance in the SHL this season. Oskarshamn is not a good program mind you. There are players drafted after him playing in pro leagues (But, Benson, Sandin-Pellikka, even Edstrom and Gulyayev) who all have legitimate cases to have surpassed expectation relative to draft position.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I see why Reinbacher has dropped in everyone's eyes; he played on an absolutely putrid Kloten team and missed 17 games this season. However, he's reported to Laval and may begin playing this Friday. We'll see if he can redeem some of his season

 

[PocketNines]

Important nuance is that you're omitting his performance in the SHL this season. Oskarshamn is not a good program mind you. There are players drafted after him playing in pro leagues (But, Benson, Sandin-Pellikka, even Edstrom and Gulyayev) who all have legitimate cases to have surpassed expectation relative to draft position.

So that's weird I suppose. On the one hand in one league he was in an awkward team situation where he tied the worst players in production and appeared to be a full out total bust. No points! Could that be right? Hard to say, but it's important.

What does the subsequent data say? It says he went to the WJC where he did great and is also putting up 1.88 ppg at 18 in the OHL.

These two things are wildly incompatible, one isn't a modifying amount of data on the other. One is just a junk set.

 

[sabremike]

The lack of respect for Benson in this thread is so absurd it almost matches that of NHL referees.

 

[DFF]

4. Michkov
5. Simashev
6. Benson
7. Smith
8. Willander
9. Reinbacher
10. Leonard
11. Honzek
12. Dvorsky
13. Barlow

This is what I had as my final, honestly not sure how much I would change. Maybe swap some guys around within the group but at this point I think its still down to preference for the most part.

Biggest thing is I might put ASP in somewhere between 11-13 & bump Barlow out.

Honzek still on your list?

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

Not enough Oliver Moore! Is that because his perceived upside is low?

His skating and utility should not be overlooked or underestimated.

 

[majormajor]

The only thing I'll say is that Quentin Musty, Gavin Brindley, and Carson Rehkopf, are all going much higher, certainly top 13 for me in a re-draft. I'm just not willing to drop anyone yet.

I love a good early re-draft and I follow all of these players.

But this group feels like they haven't settled yet, to an unusual degree. My 4-13 is just as unsettled now as it was a year ago.

 

[Dempsey]

I don't understand the reasoning behind coming into a prospects thread where people discuss the play/upside/drafts of the players to declare it's way too early to even discuss?

Why even bother coming in here if it's that big of a pet peeve?

Not to mention the same posters who say it's too early to move guys around were moving guys around in their pre-draft rankings on a daily basis.

 

[Chainshot]

Musty should be on this list. He is leading his league in points per game.

Yeah, he's certainly someone who we should consider in the top dozen with how he's ripped up the OHL.

 

[Chainshot]

I see why Reinbacher has dropped in everyone's eyes; he played on an absolutely putrid Kloten team and missed 17 games this season. However, he's reported to Laval and may begin playing this Friday. We'll see if he can redeem some of his season

Him moving to Laval may be what the Rocket need to pry their way into a playoff spot. That division though is such a dog fight to make any headway.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Honzek still on your list?

Yeah or at the very least close (I'd probably consider him alongside some others for 11-13). It hasn't been the best season given he's missed so much time but I still like his upside.

Tho I was probably higher on him than others last year.