Was signing Karlsson and letting Pavelski walk a big mistake?

Puckluck13 · Oct 4, 2019

IMO the days of the Sharks making the playoffs every year and winning a round or two are over.

I don't think the decision to sign Karlsson and letting their heart and soul captain is getting enough attention.

I think the Sharks made a big mistake.

lawrence · Oct 4, 2019

they had no business winning round 1 last year and it was time to move on from Pavelski in my opoinon. Their salary cap composition also didn't make sense to keep Joe Pavelski unless he was willing to take a Labanc like contract. they also gave up a lot for Karlsson so if he didn't sign him, it wouldn't look to good for the sharks.

Hale The Villain · Oct 4, 2019

Nope

Should have signed EK, sold high on Meier for young players on ELCs, prospects and picks, and re-signed their captain using the cap space opened up.

Kale Hulls · Oct 4, 2019

Pavelski was the only veteran with leadership qualities. Good thing they have Couture Hertl and Meier in the pipes because when you look at everybody older than them they are all complacent salarymen.

Puckluck13 · Oct 4, 2019

lawrence said:
they had no business winning round 1 last year and it was time to move on from Pavelski in my opoinon. Their salary cap composition also didn't make sense to keep Joe Pavelski unless he was willing to take a Labanc like contract. they also gave up a lot for Karlsson so if he didn't sign him, it wouldn't look to good for the sharks.

They already have an offensive minded defenceman. Karlsson is redundant on that team.

Karlsson is lost defensively. Don't care how many points he gets, he is not someone you win with if he's out there against other teams best players. He can't be sheltered because the Sharks really don't have any great defensive defenceman, and no Vlasic isn't it.

Rhaegar Targaryen · Oct 4, 2019

Karlsson >>>> Pavelski

Puckluck13 · Oct 4, 2019

Rhaegar Targaryen said:
Karlsson >>>> Pavelski

Yes as individual players. If you want to win Pavelski >>>>>>Karlsson.

Scorvat · Oct 4, 2019

no

29 year old> 35 year old getting 21m

lawrence · Oct 4, 2019

Puckluck13 said:
They already have an offensive minded defenceman. Karlsson is redundant on that team.

Karlsson is lost defensively. Don't care how many points he gets, he is not someone you win with if he's out there against other teams best players. He can't be sheltered because the Sharks really don't have any great defensive defenceman, and no Vlasic isn't it.

what's wrong with having more then 1? it's so impeccable to have an offensive dman. this costed the Sedins couple more 90 point seasons because they never had a legit offensive dman until Ehrhoff came. That will be like saying Meir is useless since they already have Hertl. It's called "depth" Karlsson over Pavelski any day.

IndustryLeech · Oct 4, 2019

The Sharks probably shouldn't have moved past the 2nd round either.

But as far as Pavelski is concerned, he was THE Avs killer. He always seemed to find a way to stick it to the Avalanche, and now he plays for a division rival. At least for me, the Sharks have lost some mystique without him.

Revelation · Oct 4, 2019

That roster is soooo unbalanced salary wise and has way too many question marks.

On paper though if everything clicks they could power through Anaheim 2007 style.

illpucks · Oct 4, 2019

Hmm a Thornton sucks thread, now a Karlsson sucks thread. Are the Sharks playing now and getting routed? Gonna check NHL.com now.

Mickey Marner · Oct 4, 2019

This is even worse than the other OP saying the Sharks should've signed Marleau.

lawrence · Oct 4, 2019

Puckluck13 said:
Yes as individual players. If you want to win Pavelski >>>>>>Karlsson.

Guys like Pavelski is easier to come by then offensive weapons like Karlsson. You also have to understand the difficulty of obtaining guys like Karlsson vs getting players like Pavelski. No shot against Pevelski btw, as he is a great leader, but Karlsson all the way.

Puckluck13 · Oct 4, 2019

lawrence said:
what's wrong with having more then 1? it's so impeccable to have an offensive dman. this costed the Sedins couple more 90 point seasons because they never had a legit offensive dman until Ehrhoff came. That will be like saying Meir is useless since they already have Hertl. It's called "depth" Karlsson over Pavelski any day.

Forwards are different. Having 2 average defensive guys who love to pinch is not a recipe for success especially when you are very shallow defensively with the other 4 guys and do not have a lot of 200 foot forwards.

I think Sharks don't make the playoffs.

Kale Hulls · Oct 4, 2019

Monsieur Gustave H said:
This is even worse than the other OP saying the Sharks should've signed Marleau.

You do bring up a good point because when you have Thornton skating around on the ice at least you have comedy relief.

Machinehead · Oct 4, 2019

I like Pavelski a lot. Drives offense and is one of the best PP scorers in the league.

That said, there's so much mythology on this site about Pavelski. He's not a center. He's not good defensively. People talk about him like he's Kopitar.

Yes, you're losing some goals losing Pavelski but you're not losing this driving force.

TheDawnOfANewTage · Oct 4, 2019

I'm with ya OP- I'm a huge Karlsson fan but I worry about tying up so much money in a guy who unfortunately gets hurt a lot. I'm normally the first guy to say "sign the younger guy" but Pavelski has motored on and produced.. Karlsson has been less consistent as of late. I'm hoping he returns to form, but one sloppy pass to Burns and they're already out there for a goal against.. it's one goal, but he just doesn't look great tonight. And it's a massive unmovable contract- Pavs woulda been shorta term, win now. I guess I'd rather have Pavs' 30 goals, 60 points for 2-3 years with 4 mil+ left for another D-man rather than putting everything on one dman.

lawrence · Oct 4, 2019

Puckluck13 said:
Forwards are different. Having 2 average defensive guys who love to pinch

having 2 superstar dmans that can produce is a recipe for success actually.

Puckluck13 said:
nd do not have a lot of 200 foot forwards.

I'm not saying Sharks don't need Pevelski, trust me, but it's just time to move on, sharks also didn't have the cash to pay him.

Puckluck13 said:
I think Sharks don't make the playoffs.

they will be fine in my opinion.

Chips · Oct 4, 2019

I don’t know, did the sharks win their first game?

Machinehead · Oct 4, 2019

Also, Karsslon has been on the ice for one goal against so far. Like, how does losing Pavelski turn into Karlsson-bashing.

I'll admit that Karlsson isn't as good defensively as the analytics people have said but he's also not nearly as bad as his detractors want him to be.

Whoshattenkirkshoes · Oct 5, 2019

EK contract will look awful in 4 years.

Puckluck13 · Oct 5, 2019

Machinehead said:
Also, Karsslon has been on the ice for one goal against so far. Like, how does losing Pavelski turn into Karlsson-bashing.

I'll admit that Karlsson isn't as good defensively as the analytics people have said but he's also not nearly as bad as his detractors want him to be.

Since you posted this 15 minutes ago Karlsson has now been on the ice for 3 goals and directly responsible for last 2 goals.

aufheben · Oct 5, 2019

Whoshattenkirkshoes said:
EK contract will look awful in 4 years.

4 minutes.

Puckluck13 · Oct 5, 2019

Whoshattenkirkshoes said:
EK contract will look awful in 4 years.

It already looks awful. Dude simply can't play defence.

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