NFL: Vontaze Burfict suspended for first 3 games of 2016 season

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Hope he apologized to his teammates.

Damn, I certainly hope so.

I remember not too long ago, reading a quote from an NHL player about the importance of discipline. This was more in reference to resisting the urge to take risks with the puck, but the basic message was -- my team can work their butts off for 59 minutes and 50 seconds, and if I throw it all out the window with one dumb move, I have to go back into the room and face those guys.

I can only imagine what it's like in this case, when the team worked their butts off for the entire season -- plus 59 minutes and 40 seconds of a playoff game -- and two guys throw it all out the window. I'm sure there were guys who wouldn't even look them in the face after that.
 

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Stop using the word "narrative" :laugh: You are just saying that because it sounds like you are making a strong argument. In 2014 they were on a news article that had them at 42 total arrests on the team and landed #1 in arrests in the NFL.

I bet you if you ask any coach around the league, they all know Cinci will do 2 things: Fail in the playoffs and employ questionable characters. If you are a good citizen on that team, you don't have faith with your teammates when the going gets tough. You just say "here we go again" and that's very important. When you face adversity, you must trust your teammates to pull out of it with you. It's part of the culture in the locker room.

It's not "narrative" and it's not made up. There is a reason they are where they are.

Haha, whatever chief. You very clearly don't know anything about the organization, and that's fine. It's a small market and I wouldn't honesty expect anybody to know/care about it beyond what the lazy and inaccurate headlines tell them.

The playoff choking element of your post is spot on. The rest is largely incorrect.
 

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There probably isn't one. However, he got away with just a fine the previous week for a head shot and then did the same thing again. This was also on a bigger stage and on arguably the best WR in the NFL, which shouldn't matter but probably does. I think he deserved at least two games and don't have a problem with three.

So, you're essentially acknowledging that there's no actual objective basis for the three games.

1-2 is fair. I'd obviously argue for and prefer one, but could understand the logic behind 2.
 

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Damn, I certainly hope so.

I remember not too long ago, reading a quote from an NHL player about the importance of discipline. This was more in reference to resisting the urge to take risks with the puck, but the basic message was -- my team can work their butts off for 59 minutes and 50 seconds, and if I throw it all out the window with one dumb move, I have to go back into the room and face those guys.

I can only imagine what it's like in this case, when the team worked their butts off for the entire season -- plus 59 minutes and 40 seconds of a playoff game -- and two guys throw it all out the window. I'm sure there were guys who wouldn't even look them in the face after that.

I'd hope so too. Pacman as well.

Same with Jeremy Hill. Over shadowed by all this hoopla is his mind-blowing inexcusable fumble.
 

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Haha, whatever chief. You very clearly don't know anything about the organization, and that's fine. It's a small market and I wouldn't honesty expect anybody to know/care about it beyond what the lazy and inaccurate headlines tell them.

The playoff choking element of your post is spot on. The rest is largely incorrect.

I honestly don't care to be right or wrong, but my lord... you think this is a 1 hit thing? This is 10 years in the making and more with the organization and their accountability issues. Most of us have played sports and a lot of us have played at a high level, and I'm assuming you have in your life, too. You know what it's like to be in a room with accountability issues. It's toxic. It's beyond toxic. That locker room is a bigger issue than you think. When adversity is faced, they are the Bengals and everyone knows it.

From a Bengals standpoint: Get rid of Jones, as he walks into FA, and make a statement that you chose to move on due to the accountability issues. Even if it's not true. Then add a game to Burfect and talk about him being a leader who needs to get his head out of his ass for the betterment of the team. That makes your star player responsible and accountable going forward AND you set in motion a new era of Bengals football.

From a Burfect standpoint: The body of work doesn't need to be written to you in one article. It's been there for as long as he's been a high profile player. This isn't one hit. This isn't about two hits. This is a body of work since his high school days. This needs to be taken care of now for the safety of other players and for Burfect's standpoint.
 

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From a Bengals standpoint: Get rid of Jones, as he walks into FA, and make a statement that you chose to move on due to the accountability issues. Even if it's not true. Then add a game to Burfect and talk about him being a leader who needs to get his head out of his ass for the betterment of the team. That makes your star player responsible and accountable going forward AND you set in motion a new era of Bengals football.

Not allowed. Once the NFL has penalized a player the team can't impose their own penalty for the same incident. I.e. No double jeopardy.
 

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Not allowed. Once the NFL has penalized a player the team can't impose their own penalty for the same incident. I.e. No double jeopardy.

They can't sit him? Make him re-earn a spot? Something? :laugh: I don't mean take his pay away. The team needs to see him pay by sitting.
 

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One of the worst hits Ive seen since they started cracking down on defenseless receiver.

Deion is a complete idiot. This is a guy that tried arguing:

1. Burfict did not know the ball was not gone
2. He couldn't have avoided hitting the head.

What a moron.

Even worse than any of that, from what I hear he said any qb could have made the play russell make to lockett. What a damn fool.
 

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I guess, as a Steelers fan, I should just hope they keep their ways. I love it. Makes it laughable every time.
 

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I guess, as a Steelers fan, I should just hope they keep their ways. I love it. Makes it laughable every time.

Get what you're saying but Brown is probably out next week, and I doubt he has another one of those hits in him career wise
 

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I honestly don't care to be right or wrong, but my lord... you think this is a 1 hit thing? This is 10 years in the making and more with the organization and their accountability issues. Most of us have played sports and a lot of us have played at a high level, and I'm assuming you have in your life, too. You know what it's like to be in a room with accountability issues. It's toxic. It's beyond toxic. That locker room is a bigger issue than you think. When adversity is faced, they are the Bengals and everyone knows it.

From a Bengals standpoint: Get rid of Jones, as he walks into FA, and make a statement that you chose to move on due to the accountability issues. Even if it's not true. Then add a game to Burfect and talk about him being a leader who needs to get his head out of his ass for the betterment of the team. That makes your star player responsible and accountable going forward AND you set in motion a new era of Bengals football.

From a Burfect standpoint: The body of work doesn't need to be written to you in one article. It's been there for as long as he's been a high profile player. This isn't one hit. This isn't about two hits. This is a body of work since his high school days. This needs to be taken care of now for the safety of other players and for Burfect's standpoint.

I wasn't going to respond, since you flat out said you're not interested in having factual information, but figured I'd throw this out there anyway.

"This" is not 10 years in the making. The new era of bengals football you call for began after the death of Chris Henry, and came into full effect in the season following Carson Palmer's departure. A philosophical shift was a key condition for Marvin Lewis to agree to return as coach, and their track record of acquiring players via both free agency and the draft since that time is loaded with high character, low key, players and staggeringly few "character risks". Vontaze Burfict, and the recent actions of Pacman are the extreme outliers on a team led by guys like Andy Dalton, Andrew Whitworth, AJ Green, Leon Hall, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Tyler Eifert, etc.

There are hardly any players left (if any) from the 05-06 era arrest-laden past of this team, nearly a decade ago. But at the end of the day, no one cares about the character reformation of a mediocre franchise so the reputation lives on.

Ironically, the quiet reserved nature of the new bengals core is one of the biggest reasons attention has never shifted away from the old reputation. There's nothing exciting or noteworthy about a bunch of quiet dudes who do a pretty good job. But everyone remembers when Pacman Jones and his boys shot up a strip joint way back when. "Pacman jones is a Bengal? Figures....who's Geno Atkins?"

The Bengals don't have a long standing accountability problem, at least in terms of player conduct. They currently have an isolated Vontaze Burfict problem and a Pacman Jones problem. The latter of which is likely done, as they've been preparing for his departure for a while. It's up to Marvin Lewis, and the leadership core I mentioned above, to reel in their most important and dynamic defensive player.
 

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well deserved, ******* play by a ******* player


robs us of a chance to watch one of the game's elite as a result too
 

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Pittsburgh penalized 142-79. Yep, conspiracy by the NFL.

Cincy not being penalized when Jeremey Hill tried to start a fight or ****ing rumble at midfield after Shazier hit, which should have never been blown dead in the first place. TD off the board. Conspiracy by the NFL

Cincy FANS throwing **** on the field for how long, repeatedly? Can't you penalize fans for that? Also throwing crap and cheering an injured player going off on a cart. Pure ****ing class by the mouth breathers up there in the stands.

No unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Burfict for running 80 yards up the field, through the tunnel. They flag FAR less for TD celebrations every damn week. Yep, conspiracy.

Jeremy Hill fumble with game in the bank. Conspiracy!

A one armed man leading a team 70+ yards down the field to win. Conspiracy.

Brown making up being out cold before he even hit the ground after being mashed by Burfict. Tin foil hat time.



Rain aka God caused the Bengals to lose -AJ McCarron after game.......





Here's just a handful of Burfict's so clean and fresh "hits" and extracurricular stuff. Yep, he's a model of good sportsmanship. He's the epitome of dirty and is a world class gang banger on his best days. He'll be in jail or dead within 3 years of being out of football....




https://vine.co/v/iMWPBbFYELr (Maxx Williams cheap shot)





 
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Get what you're saying but Brown is probably out next week, and I doubt he has another one of those hits in him career wise

yeah so much for that ****ing turd PacMan Jones saying AB was faking it.
I was surprised the suspension came down so quick but I am happy about it.
I wonder if they looked at that intentional kneeing to the shoulder of Ben after he sacked him as well.
 

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"Punishment needs to go beyond a fine," Olsen said. "Guys like that don't learn from that stuff. He's been fined a 100 times for head hunting, and he did it to Kelvin [Benjamin] again. You watch the film, that's just what he is."

In the second quarter, Burfict was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after hitting Benjamin, who was a defenseless receiver on the play.

"At some point, if the NFL wants to really say they care about guys' safety, they've got to start putting guys out for weeks," Olsen said, alluding to a suspension. "Me and Cam are lucky we aren't out for weeks, or Kelvin isn't out for weeks. If you're going to start putting guys on other teams out, then the ramifications need to equal that."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...nfl-should-suspend-bengals-lb-vontaze-burfict

That was last year. He ended up just getting fined 25k.

The NFL will fine Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict $25,000 for twisting the ankles of Cam Newton and Greg Olsen in Sunday's 37-37 game against the Carolina Panthers, according to Pro Football Talk. Despite Olsen calling for the league to suspend Burfict for his actions earlier in the week, it looks like the fine is his only punishment.

However, ESPN's Ed Werder reported that the next time Burfict has an infraction like this, he'll be summoned to the league office to meet with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. That could result in a suspension, which would be the first in his NFL career.

http://www.sbnation.com/2014/10/15/...wisting-ankles-panthers-cam-newton-greg-olsen

Except Werder was wrong, and Burfict was only fined (50k) for the Maxx Williams hit (assuming there wasn't an incident between the two). The dude doesn't learn from fines. Maybe sitting and thinking will teach him.
 

CDJ

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Everything Olsen said back then was on point.


It's a shame it took the league this long to catch on
 

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Good. Should have been longer . Bunch of ******* Bengals. Hopefully nothing but wildcard playoff exits for the rest of their pathetic existence. Losers.
 

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Stop using the word "narrative" :laugh: You are just saying that because it sounds like you are making a strong argument. In 2014 they were on a news article that had them at 42 total arrests on the team and landed #1 in arrests in the NFL.

but were there any precedents for those arrests? otherwise they would seem baseless... because well... they were on Bengals players you know...
 

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