Value of: Vladimir Tarasenko

[Just Linda]

Tarasenko is that rare player who's risk outweighs the value right now. The value is astronomical either way. I saw an earlier offer for Ekholm and Forsberg, I feel Tarasenko is worth more than those two combined.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Tarasenko is that rare player who's risk outweighs the value right now. The value is astronomical either way. I saw an earlier offer for Ekholm and Forsberg, I feel Tarasenko is worth more than those two combined.

Lol he has slightly better production than Forsberg on a much better offensive team while being 2 years older and having career threatening injury problems that Forsberg doesn't. Not to mention costing more. Forsberg for Tarasenko in 2021 would be a robbery for the blues

 

[Just Linda]

Lol he has slightly better production than Forsberg on a much better offensive team while being 2 years older and having career threatening injury problems that Forsberg doesn't. Not to mention costing more. Forsberg for Tarasenko in 2021 would be a robbery for the blues

The injury part makes any of those a no go on both sides.

Tarasenko is a better player though. Ekholm doesn't close that gap. Production in one year is one thing, continually being an elite sniper (or near-elite depending on definition) is another.

 

[Drake1588]

Before they commit assets to a trade, GMs would want to see where his game is at following his surgeries, and see it for a significant number of games. It sounds like he might get back into games before long. So revisit this at the trade deadline.

If he looks like he's back to form, then as a player he holds strong value. An acquiring team would have him for three playoff seasons (this year and two more). Peg his value at a late first rounder and a quality prospect. Teams will be wary before assuming he's the player he was in the past, though.

 

[FameFlame069]

He is worth the potential of return to form, a significant value, less ongoing risk [for a relatively short 2 yr period] that even if there is no internal regression, one more bad hit in the wrong spot, and while preferable to a concussion, is still a signif injury.

If the return is not a similar player, and is not futures, value is adjusted by what that return is compared to the Tara barometer.

Rangers keep their bluest blue chips so as to manage their own down the road cap issues, instead offering:

Buch full pop 3.25 expiring end of rfa
Deangelo 4.8 at half = 2.4
total cap is 5.65 = instant 2.1 cap relief to St.L
plus conditional 2024 and 2025 4ths both of which can upgrade to 2nds depending on:
what happens w/Deangelo
what happens w/Tara

something like that

.... i think you're delusional here, ADA ar 50%, Buch and 2 4ths/2nds for Tank? That's highway robbery for the Rangers, you'd need to at least give up a 2nd for any team to take ADA without giving up a top line player, to think Buch + 4th/2nd = Tank is crazy

 

[FameFlame069]

Ryan + Kylington + 1st for Tank at 6.75?
Add a conditional 3rd/2nd(on Tanks goals?)

 

[Kuznetsnow]

The injury part makes any of those a no go on both sides.

Tarasenko is a better player though. Ekholm doesn't close that gap. Production in one year is one thing, continually being an elite sniper (or near-elite depending on definition) is another.

You're not paying for what they were, you're paying for what they'll be going forward. And being on the ice has indisputable value as far as actual hockey contributions. The idea that the blues or any team is better off with Tarasenko for 1/3 of a season than Forsberg for a full one is nuts

 

[unitedstars87]

Buddy is a one trick pony, and that trick left town

it’s over

It’s demented

Lolll.. I’m sure blues fans don’t mind this.. didn’t they win a cup?? Go back under your bridge

 

[Didalee Hed]

Lolll.. I’m sure blues fans don’t mind this.. didn’t they win a cup?? Go back under your bridge

I don’t think I was commenting on anyone’s past.

 

[Colt55]

He is worth the potential of return to form, a significant value, less ongoing risk [for a relatively short 2 yr period] that even if there is no internal regression, one more bad hit in the wrong spot, and while preferable to a concussion, is still a signif injury.

If the return is not a similar player, and is not futures, value is adjusted by what that return is compared to the Tara barometer.

Rangers keep their bluest blue chips so as to manage their own down the road cap issues, instead offering:

Buch full pop 3.25 expiring end of rfa
Deangelo 4.8 at half = 2.4
total cap is 5.65 = instant 2.1 cap relief to St.L
plus conditional 2024 and 2025 4ths both of which can upgrade to 2nds depending on:
what happens w/Deangelo
what happens w/Tara

something like that

Yeah hells no. Really bad offer. Just really bad.

 

[Colt55]

Before they commit assets to a trade, GMs would want to see where his game is at following his surgeries, and see it for a significant number of games. It sounds like he might get back into games before long. So revisit this at the trade deadline.

If he looks like he's back to form, then as a player he holds strong value. An acquiring team would have him for three playoff seasons (this year and two more). Peg his value at a late first rounder and a quality prospect. Teams will be wary before assuming he's the player he was in the past, though.

If he hits 35 40 goal pace and looks like his old self you are talking 2 first and a bluechipper for 3 years at that hit. Sorry blues just keep him. Either he plays at is normal or he gets injured and retires. Either way it's better for blues to keep him.

 

[Colt55]

Ryan + Kylington + 1st for Tank at 6.75?
Add a conditional 3rd/2nd(on Tanks goals?)

Don't need Bobby Ryan or KY. Blues say no.

 

[Just Linda]

You're not paying for what they were, you're paying for what they'll be going forward. And being on the ice has indisputable value as far as actual hockey contributions. The idea that the blues or any team is better off with Tarasenko for 1/3 of a season than Forsberg for a full one is nuts

You pay what the Blues take or you don't get him. Blues aren't taking a discount on him.

 

[unitedstars87]

I don’t think I was commenting on anyone’s past.

Nor should you

 

[KirkOut]

No to DeAngelo but y’all still got McIlrath? 1 for 1?

 

[Kuznetsnow]

You pay what the Blues take or you don't get him. Blues aren't taking a discount on him.

I mean most of the NHL is probably happy with the blues having a 7.5 million dollar player who's not playing and quickly gets injured every time he does. Surprised the extra 10 goals a healthy Tarasenko may put up over Forsberg are worth that much though

 

[Didalee Hed]

Nor should you

Well if unitedstars87 says so...

 

[Colt55]

I mean most of the NHL is probably happy with the blues having a 7.5 million dollar player who's not playing and quickly gets injured every time he does. Surprised the extra 10 goals a healthy Tarasenko may put up over Forsberg are worth that much though

Everytime he plays he is hurt lol.you sound a lil bhurt. If you look up the last 7 years tarasenko has put up more goals than just about anyone in the playoffs. With exception of last year since he didn't play.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Everytime he plays he is hurt lol.you sound a lil bhurt. If you look up the last 7 years tarasenko has put up more goals than just about anyone in the playoffs. With exception of last year since he didn't play.

Was that before or after he tore his shoulder multiple times? Seems like something that may become an issue for a sniper.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I mean most of the NHL is probably happy with the blues having a 7.5 million dollar player who's not playing and quickly gets injured every time he does. Surprised the extra 10 goals a healthy Tarasenko may put up over Forsberg are worth that much though

Why is that surprising? Is producing more than his fellow players supposed to make him worth less?

 

[Just Linda]

I mean most of the NHL is probably happy with the blues having a 7.5 million dollar player who's not playing and quickly gets injured every time he does. Surprised the extra 10 goals a healthy Tarasenko may put up over Forsberg are worth that much though

10 GAP is 3-4 wins in n a season. That's the difference between bubble and division title often.

Absolutely, those 10 goals above replacement are huge.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

10 GAP is 3-4 wins in n a season. That's the difference between bubble and division title often.

Absolutely, those 10 goals above replacement are huge.

So Forsberg's 9 goals this year and however many more he had than Tarasenko last year would come in handy, no?

 

[Just Linda]

So Forsberg's 9 goals this year and however many more he had than Tarasenko last year would come in handy, no?

Blues don't frame Tarasenko's value under what is lost. They aren't trading him at a loss because he missed most of a season with injuries no more than Nashville reduces Forsberg's value based on the fact he's missed time each of the prior two seasons.

 

[Colt55]

Was that before or after he tore his shoulder multiple times? Seems like something that may become an issue for a sniper.

The two seasons prior forsberg has missed 20 games each...hmmmm

 

[Kuznetsnow]

The two seasons prior forsberg has missed 20 games each...hmmmm

Not quite the same as on the cusp of 30 with 3 major shoulder injuries requiring surgery in 3 years.

I hope Tarasenko comes back to his prior level and stays healthy but it just doesn't seem likely.