Player Discussion: Victor Hedmonster, Norris God

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  1. AndreRoy

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    Imagine multiple people voting against Gretzky for the HoF. Also imagine that Gretzky had been well on his way to a Hall of Fame career as a goalie before switching to center.
     
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    If you're the best defenseman in the league you are top 5 as it's a key position.
     
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    I think he's top 10 for sure. I'm not sure that he's the best defenseman in the league, even as the reigning Norris winner. Not sure he's top 5, but I don't think it's crazy either.

    There really are no perfect defesemen in this generation. Maybe that's because the game is beginning to lean back toward speed and offense, but you see the warts on pretty much everybody from time to time, these days, in a way that didn't really happen in Chara, Pronger, and Lidstrom's primes. ...Well, in Lidstrom's case, he'd probably be the perfect defenseman in any era.

    But anyway. We're lucky to have him.
     
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    The Gongshow Coopers gonna Coop

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    I'd say he's a top 10 player and arguably a top 3 d man in the league
     
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    The Macho Man Lusty Bodychecker

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    No arguable to it. Karlsson, Doughty, and Hedman are clearly the top 3 in the league, with significant separation with the rest of the league.
     
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    Subban though?
     
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    Subban is a clear tier below. Easily worse defensively than Hedman and Doughty, and not nearly as effective offensively as Hedman and Karlsson.
     
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    DominicBoltsFan what the heck

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    Doughty overrated
     
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    Yet more reason to love the big Swede!! :heart::heart::heart:
     
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    So what’s up with Vic? Hes just been mediocre at best lately...
     
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    This guy is sneezing points but he hasn't been dazzling offensively and his defensive game this year underwhelming. Very reminiscent of his season 2 years ago when he had 72 points in 79 games but was shaky on his own end.

    I mean it's the regular season so whatever, but Hedman needs to bring it this playoffs if we want to win - he doesn't get much flack for it cause Stamkos/Kucherov took most of the blame but he was also disappointing last playoffs especially in the caps series.
     
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    He hasn't been the same since the Vegas game IMO. The break will be welcome for guys like Heddy
     
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    Why doesn't Hedman produce more on a stacked offensive team like Tampa?

    And why does he only play like 21-22 minutes most games?
     
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    Because he doesn't have to play more. We're doing fine with him playing less. Same story with our top forwards, they get very little icetime compared to most other star players. No need to play them that much in these meaningless regular season games.
     
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    Vasilevskiy I've many surnames

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    We've been resting all our top players since almost game 1. They will play more come play-off time.
     
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    I thought our forwards only scored because of Hedman? The main boards have misled me.
     
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    While that is true, Hedman also would be a 20 point bottom pairing defenseman if not for our forwards carrying his point totals.
     
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    The main boards is chock full of faulty logic.
     
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    Nah, nah, nah. Heddy is only even able to gas up his Range Rover to even GET to the home games because of the conspiratory and evil tax advantage here in Tampa. (Miami/FTL, Dallas, Vegas, but no need to mention those)
    Otherwise, he's just a healthy scratch half the games or so.
     
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    Most of which comes from Dom.
     
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    I think he's pretty ideal representative to our fanbase.
     

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