Price is Wright
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Thank you for this valuable anecdotal story. Great contribution to the discussion. Let us know the next time you talk to Vegas fans and they don't know who someone is.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [VGK] Alex Pietrangelo signs with the Golden Knights (7 years, $8.8M AAV)
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Thank you for this valuable anecdotal story. Great contribution to the discussion. Let us know the next time you talk to Vegas fans and they don't know who someone is.
Troublesome 85
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I will since it happens everyday since I kinda live in Vegas
you don’t need to quote me to have a temper tantrum tho.
DaPhazz
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How much clout does Pacioretty have in Vegas? I hope more than Tarasenko has here - can't wait until another world class shot has to try to play the point on the PP because Petro can't.
Ryan Michaels
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Nope. What you said it "what did they add that is so good?" which is just intentionally obtuse. I'm not saying Vegas is going to dominate the West but they just added one of the best dmen on the planet so don't be ridiculous.
Also they've been a pretty damn good team year in and year out so they're far from a bad pick to win the West...they've made the conference finals twice in 3 years and just improved... I know you're such an enormous homer that you take offense to that kind of comment but you really shouldn't.
How does signing a deal in Vegas take away from him being a "family guy"?
KrisLetAngry
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It wasn't just the extra money. I believe the Blues did not offer a full NMC.
Exactly. Great get on AP but they are missing bunch of pieces, down the middle they are weak
Imho - Fluery should have been first out the door with the drama his agent created - the team did not need that on a good run and players keep agents employed.
deckercky
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They should have....but the team wasn't willing to pay a 1st+ on a retained contract to move him, and lehner's injury makes having a second starter all the more significant.
MrHeiskanen
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If they added Petro to their team, without losing players, I would agree with your analysis.
But they are losing players to make additions.
Ryan Michaels
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That's just an unrealistic standard to have in a cap world. If a top team improves even if they have to sacrifice pieces to do so(in a cap world they almost always will) it's perfectly reasonable for posters to pick them as cup favourites. I'm sure you'd have done the same if Dallas had shed players to add Taylor Hall. Also Schmidt is a good player but Pietrangelo is more than "a slight upgrade." Am I comfortable calling Vegas cup favourites? No, Tampa exists, but it's not like they're an outrageous pick.
He was probably safer in St. Louis without a NMC than he is in Vegas with one.
I doubt that St. Louis would ever trade him.
I wouldn't doubt that Vegas might ask him to waive his NMC -- and make it very uncomfortable not to do so -- at some time over the next seven years.
Price is Wright
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I'm sure you came to this conclusion based on their past seven years of how they handle players, especially this GM?
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dahrougem2
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Of goaltenders to play at least 4 games during that post-season, Binnington ranked 7th in G.A.A and 10th in Sv%.
He is not the reason St. Louis went on that run - and it certainly was not a fluke. He at times was a reason, yes. And he played great at times, too, like game 7 vs Boston.
But to say that he's the reason St. Louis went on that run is just wrong.
Kcb12345
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Except they didn't address what kept them from winning the series against Dallas.
Ted Hoffman
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I wouldn't draw that conclusion at all. I could absolutely see where Armstrong says you know what, I think I see a chance to make this team better - or, thinking back to '14 or '15, you know what, this group needs a shake-up and someone's going out of here, I don't care who the hell it is or how little sense it makes.
CupInSIX
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Ownership stepped in IMO. You can always find a capable 1b for relatively cheap (yes, even Dell would do) and Schmidt > VGK 1st + 2nd to move Fleury.
1st + 2nd + MAF + moving McNabb on a bargain contract was the move to make but Foley did not like the idea of a PR nightmare.
edit: also seems like he wouldn't waive for the 1 or 2 teams that would have made a more 'agreeable' trade
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Ted Hoffman
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No ... but yes. Way too many times - especially late in that '17-18 season - Allen would just make some mind-numbing gaffe and you could see the shoulders on every Blues player slump forward in response. They saw, came to realize, they couldn't count on him to bail them out if/when needed. It turned into a situation where Blues skaters were playing tentative defense, trying to be picture-perfect, because they sensed if they f***ed up Allen would really f*** up.
When Binnington was white-hot in net from his very first start, he gave the Blues the kind of goaltending they hadn't had since arguably Elliott. Much more importantly though, he made the stops he needed to and came up with big saves at critical times and didn't get flustered if he gave up a goal; he shrugged it off and got back between the pipes like nothing ever happened. It gave the guys in front of him the confidence to open up and play their game and not be afraid to take some risk and be aggressive, knowing that if they made a mistake it wasn't 50/50 that the puck would end up in the back of the net as a result and their goalie would spend the next 10 minutes dwelling on it.
That was something Allen could never do [and IMO was never going to do] - and that was the difference between a 1st/2nd round exit and winning the Cup.
krutovsdonut
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if they follow form vegas will dump him in the next two years while he is still valuable enough for someone to take on his contract and then sign the next pietrangelo.
MrHeiskanen
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So for example, Dallas loses Radulov (Schmidt) and adds Hall (Petro).. while losing Radek Faksa (Statsny) down the middle.
I don't see that as a big improvement and wouldn't be posting that we are going to dominate the West. No.
KovalchukFistPump
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I don't want to trash Vegas but man, I really don't understand how it's become the most appealing city to all NHL players. I guess I get that they all have summer homes elsewhere that they go to when the heat becomes unbearable. If you are still playing in May and June, your entire focus is on the playoffs so you can ignore the heat then. September you can just deal with. But the wives and children....don't they want some nature? Some actual greenery? Some social life that isn't surrounded by gambling? I have a feeling Vegas gets a similar rep to Phoenix in a few years.
Kranix
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It was never about the money. With hockey players at the top of the game, it's about what the money says about how you're respected / valued in the league and by the team.
That respect element is why AP is no longer a member of the Blues. He believed (and rightfully so) that he deserved a full NMC and substantial bonus money. Doug Armstrong doesn't do that, and while he indicated willingness to do some of it, it was never going to be a hard-stop, full NMC for all 7-8 years.
It's knowing that team and player had completely inflexible positions in this regard, that caused Armstrong to go out and get Faulk, which in turn caused even more feeling of disrespect by AP.
