I’m not sure exactly. Probably not “multiple firsts” though. 1st round picks are very valuable. More so than a couple million in cap space that probably makes no difference in the Canucks fortunes by the time those 4 years are up.
Rumor: Vancouver actively looking to retain salary for draft picks on rentals as 3rd party
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Peter Griffin
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Yea but $5M+ is a lot of money. Carolina received the 13th pick in 2020 draft for spending $3.833M on Marleau’s buyout and 1 year of a $6.25M caphit when capspace wasn’t as tight as it is now. When retaining in these situations the actual cash paid out is just as valuable as the capspace component. How many actual owners are willing to spend $5M+ for anything less than multiple picks?
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Wouldn't this mean for only 1 trade as a third party? They are already retaining on Horvat, expecting to retain on Boeser. Unless this is the sign they aren't trading Boeser and can retain on 2 different other trades.
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The benchmark for $1m retained cap the past couple of years has been a 4th round pick. If one year of Marleau at $6.25M (pure dead cap in a buyout) fetched a first, I'd expect 4 years of Karlsson at $2.3M/ea to cost two 1sts at the deadline to a desperate team. Nobody is going to do that, and Karlsson isn't getting moved.
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Vancouver willing to third party retain is not newsworthy unless they’re willing to retain on contracts with term left.
A whole bunch of teams are ready and willing to retain on expiring contracts.
A whole bunch of teams are ready and willing to retain on expiring contracts.
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Arpon Basu during the 2nd intermission mentioned this.
He said the Habs were in to be the 3rd team to help with the RoR deal, but decided not to as they have a fair amount of players injured and weren't sure how this would impact them for future deals this deadline.
He states that the Habs will continue to look to help.
He also mentioned that the Habs might look to deal Byron's deal to help a cap team
LTIR contract ends at the end of the year.
All encompassing thread about teams willing to retain ?
He said the Habs were in to be the 3rd team to help with the RoR deal, but decided not to as they have a fair amount of players injured and weren't sure how this would impact them for future deals this deadline.
He states that the Habs will continue to look to help.
He also mentioned that the Habs might look to deal Byron's deal to help a cap team
LTIR contract ends at the end of the year.
All encompassing thread about teams willing to retain ?
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So SJ sends Vancouver karlsson
then vancouver sends habs karlsson for more cap savings
then habs send oilers karlsson
then oilers retain on karlsson and sends him back to sj
Repeat until karlsson is free
then vancouver sends habs karlsson for more cap savings
then habs send oilers karlsson
then oilers retain on karlsson and sends him back to sj
Repeat until karlsson is free
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BLNY
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Makes sense. With two pieces hurt and unlikely to move in Eddy and Monahan, this is an effective way to make up for it and get some assets.
Bourne Endeavor
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Why not both? Say we eat 50% of Kane's contract then use those assets to get rid of our own in the summer. Now we're dumping players we don't want without losing our own picks.
But really, we're nowhere near ready to contend. So what do we care about letting some dud contracts simply runs their course?
why? They are not winning soon and a few end this summer like Dadonov and Drouin and not like they need the cap space.
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Can only retain twice on a player. Maximum total retention equals out to 75%.
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First it was holding players out for trade purposes, now it’s retaining to get free picks…. What a weird season it is
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And another source said Montreal would definitely not be acting as a 3d party broker.
www.danslescoulisses.com
Given how Montreal has a lot of players who could be moved at the deadline, but no clear choices as to who to move, offering to act as a broker to add a 5th rounder would be unlikely to be worth the loss in flexibility. For example, someone might get desperate and really want Dadonov for a 3d, but it could only work if Habs can retain... (and the picks given for retaining aren't anything special)
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BTW: Can anyone explain how moving Byron can help anyone with anything? He's been on LTIR since the start of the season...
Renaud Lavoie : le Canadien ne retiendra pas de salaire comme 3e pièce d’une transaction
Très intéressant.
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Given how Montreal has a lot of players who could be moved at the deadline, but no clear choices as to who to move, offering to act as a broker to add a 5th rounder would be unlikely to be worth the loss in flexibility. For example, someone might get desperate and really want Dadonov for a 3d, but it could only work if Habs can retain... (and the picks given for retaining aren't anything special)
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BTW: Can anyone explain how moving Byron can help anyone with anything? He's been on LTIR since the start of the season...
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Yeah... $1.875 million for a single season. The price of cap-retention goes up exponentially if you're looking at 2, 3, 4 seasons.
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Not only that, but almost more importantly it was only $75K in actual cash.
Agalloch
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And another source said Montreal would definitely not be acting as a 3d party broker.
Renaud Lavoie : le Canadien ne retiendra pas de salaire comme 3e pièce d’une transaction
Très intéressant.
Given how Montreal has a lot of players who could be moved at the deadline, but no clear choices as to who to move, offering to act as a broker to add a 5th rounder would be unlikely to be worth the loss in flexibility. For example, someone might get desperate and really want Dadonov for a 3d, but it could only work if Habs can retain... (and the picks given for retaining aren't anything special)
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BTW: Can anyone explain how moving Byron can help anyone with anything? He's been on LTIR since the start of the season...
He can help gaining cap space because of LTIR.
pth2
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ok, let me re-phrase. Can someone give useful information as to how Byron's contract can help a team deal with cap issues ? Given that LTIR compensates for the amount the player would've been paid anyways, acquiring an LTIR contract shouldn't have any net effect.
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''Does NHL LTIR count against the cap?
When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team's overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.''
pth2
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Yes, it allows the team to exceed by the same amount as the contract itself. Which means the contract no longer has an effect, removing it from Montreal would have no effect, and adding it to another team's cap would have no effect, either.
Adding an equivalent asset and debit to both sides of an accountant's ledger has no not effect.
Breakers
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I’ll believe it when I see it
They could have taken a baby step that would have cost this owner $76k for a 4th round pick.
Literally chump change and a way to ease into it
And they didn’t do it.
I just don’t think Aquilini will ever do it
They could have taken a baby step that would have cost this owner $76k for a 4th round pick.
Literally chump change and a way to ease into it
And they didn’t do it.
I just don’t think Aquilini will ever do it
