Proposal: [Van] - [Tor]

[firstemperor]

When it comes to value there is no argument for anything but Tanev >>> KK

Tanev >>>Sergachev right now as well. Would you entertain a trade of Sergachev for Tanev?

Hopefully you realize how ridiculous you sound at this point.

 

[BlueBaron]

It's funny in the many past threads. Van fans have been asking for kappy and leafs fans have said no with tanev as the main piece. I think that should tell you something.

Tells me you like sweeping generalizations. A few of us were good with Kap/Brown+1rst for Tanev. Only the guys worried about his injury history were reluctant to deal for him.

 

[TOGuy14]

Erik Gudbranson

Kasperi Kapanen

Ha classic Canucks fan post.

Gudbranson for Kapanen gets you a click on the phone from Toronto's end.

 

[WilliamNylander]

Switch to Tanev or your first rounder this year

 

[RomanianLeafs]

i would do Leipsic, there is no room for him..0 chances u get Kapanen..also while i like Gudbranson i doubt our management would trade for a guy who threatened Martin with dead after that game..

 

[WTFMAN99]

i would do Leipsic, there is no room for him..0 chances u get Kapanen..also while i like Gudbranson i doubt our management would trade for a guy who threatened Martin with dead after that game..

I don't think the threat will really bother them.

I only wonder if Babcock would want him or see him as a fit in our system.

It does free up us to use Carrick as a trade chip with other assets for a top end defenseman (if one comes available), and I like having some meat on our back end.

Rielly-?
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Gudbranson
1 of Marincin/Marchenko

I actually like the Leipsic for Gudbranson base, and I can actually see Leipsic being a good player for Vancouver.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Vancouver needs to hold onto Gudbranson and see if they can make him work. They still need someone with his skill set. His value has already bottomed out. Another bad season won't do much harm to his value. Better to see if last year was an aberration. And if we have to suffer through bad defense, oh well, another top 5 pick...

 

[WTFMAN99]

Vancouver needs to hold onto Gudbranson and see if they can make him work. They still need someone with his skill set. His value has already bottomed out. Another bad season won't do much harm to his value. Better to see if last year was an aberration.

Seems like Tanev and Stecher are the top 2 RD, and Gudbranson may be too costly to put at the RD 3 slotting...although may be the case for Toronto too I suppose.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Seems like Tanev and Stecher are the top 2 RD, and Gudbranson may be too costly to put at the RD 3 slotting...although may be the case for Toronto too I suppose.

Are we really in a tough salary situation? We are the type of team that is in a good position to spend money in fishing expeditions.

 

[firstemperor]

Tells me you like sweeping generalizations. A few of us were good with Kap/Brown+1rst for Tanev. Only the guys worried about his injury history were reluctant to deal for him.

If he didn't have red flags with durability, injuries, and the real risk of a decline soon given these, maybe this opinion wouldn't represent the extreme minority of leaf fans. Tanev plays a very demanding style as is to keep up his efficiency defensively.

In the meantime, I don't have a problem with Canuck fans asking for Drouin/Pujlu or whatever but to me, there's zero chance of that happening. Some seem content with keeping him, which is fine as well.

Regardless, supposedly, Benning is not looking to deal him or actively making calls to field his value. When does his NTC kick in?

 

[gianni]

Pass. Canucks already have Jonathan Dahlen & Nikolay Goldobin whom rank similarly to Kapanen. Also, I think this is a make or break year for Erik Gudbranson; he still has untapped potential.

 

[y2kcanucks]

As a Leafs fan I am mildly interested in Gudbransson, but not at the cost of Kapanen. If that were the cost, I would move on rather quickly.

As a Canucks fan...you shouldn't be interested in Gudbranson at all. He would be your worst defenseman.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Pass. Canucks already have Jonathan Dahlen & Nikolay Goldobin whom rank similarly to Kapanen. Also, I think this is a make or break year for Erik Gudbranson; he still has untapped potential.

Gudbranson is never going to reach anywhere near his expectations based on his draft position. I doubt he'd return Kapanen.

With his contract the best one could hope for is mid pick and cap coming back on a shorter term deal.

 

[Liferleafer]

Erik Gudbranson

Kasperi Kapanen

I would take a flyer on Guds (2nd or 3rd ) in the hopes Babs can get him to his potential. That said, not a chance i would give a second of thought to dealing Kap for him. Now, if Tanev's name comes up....that's different.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Gudbranson is never going to reach anywhere near his expectations based on his draft position. I doubt he'd return Kapanen.

With his contract the best one could hope for is mid pick and cap coming back on a shorter term deal.

Shorter term than RFA?

I agree though that Gudbranson even at his QO isn't worth it.

I'd do Gudbranson for Leipsic in a heartbeat. Gudbranson is absolute trash.

 

[Cogburn]

For all the crap he gets on our boards, and abroad, we were a much better team with Gudbranson in the line up.

I can't imagine we'd get Kapanen for him, maybe an equivalent prospect from a team starved for leadership and physical right side D, ie optimal circumstances, but Canucks D to Toronto has been beaten to death.

Further more, we aren't in a position of strength there any more. Yes, Tryamkin was that big a blow to our depth. Trading Gudbranson for Leipsic doesn't help us long term, as we have a number of winger prospects that offer what he does. Unless we're hoping for a Alzner type signing in free agency, or maybe a Seabrook cap dump to us (which constantly gets shouted down when I say we should explore that option) we are creating a hole to fill a surplus.

Plus, I mean it's like a 2 year age difference. It's not like we're dropping a 35 year old for a prospect here.

 

[TBC]

Tells me you like sweeping generalizations. A few of us were good with Kap/Brown+1rst for Tanev. Only the guys worried about his injury history were reluctant to deal for him.

I would be hesitant but Kap + 1st for Tanev is something I would maybe do. Kap + 2nd 100%. I wouldn't do Brown in a deal for Tanev though.

 

[Liferleafer]

I would be hesitant but Kap + 1st for Tanev is something I would maybe do. Kap + 2nd 100%. I wouldn't do Brown in a deal for Tanev though.

I think i am the opposite, if Van prefered Brown over Kap for Tanev, i do it.

 

[Tryamkin]

[lol] - [no]

 

[TBC]

I think i am the opposite, if Van prefered Brown over Kap for Tanev, i do it.

It's probably just me being bias tbh. I've been a huge fan of Brown since before we drafted him and he's been an underdog the entire time so it's been really neat to watch him progress. Reason I keep Brown over Kap is because Browns two-way game is great and he plays with high energy. He is the type of guy you want on your team. He is literally the perfect 3rd liner and if injuries happen he is very capable of moving up the line-up in a more offensive role.

 

[McMatthews]

I have absolutely no interest in Badbranson.

Not even for a draft pick or Leipsic.

 

[Gavy]

It's probably just me being bias tbh. I've been a huge fan of Brown since before we drafted him and he's been an underdog the entire time so it's been really neat to watch him progress. Reason I keep Brown over Kap is because Browns two-way game is great and he plays with high energy. He is the type of guy you want on your team. He is literally the perfect 3rd liner and if injuries happen he is very capable of moving up the line-up in a more offensive role.

Kapanen is almost as good if not as good as Brown defensively and is just as high energy.
Kappy has the higher offensive ceiling though and is 3 years younger

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Tells me you like sweeping generalizations. A few of us were good with Kap/Brown+1rst for Tanev. Only the guys worried about his injury history were reluctant to deal for him.

Aka me. I wasn't wrong, most leafs fan wouldn't deal kappy for tanev.

 

[WilliamNylander]

Just looking at it from a neutral standpoint here...

Gudbranson has no chance at all to crack the Leafs top 7. If they bring back one of Hunlak, he probably is the #8 or 9 on the depth chart. Honestly depending on how we value Dermott and the two new Swedes, he could be outside the top 10 a year from now. So a deal involving him makes zero sense.

Moving on to alternatives, if the Canucks want Kapanen it's going to take a big chunk of assets. The young guns aka Horvat/Boeser/Juolevi all presumably are untouchable. That leaves only two assets with positive trade value (Tanev and the first round pick).

I think Tanev for Kappy+ something small (Leipsic?) makes sense. The first round pick for Kappy straight up also makes sense. Two value for value trades.

 

[TBC]

Kapanen is almost as good if not as good as Brown defensively and is just as high energy.
Kappy has the higher offensive ceiling though and is 3 years younger

I disagree with him being as good defensively.