Proposal: Van/SJ Andrei Kuzmenko for Mikael Granlund

[Brookbank]

They both make 5 million this year and next. Tocchet wants a̷ ̷s̷e̷a̷ ̷o̷f̷ ̷G̷r̷a̷n̷l̷u̷n̷d̷s̷ 2 way players only. So this is a match.

Would San Jose do this trade ?

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[VanillaCoke]

Disgusting

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Ew no

 

[Sendhelplease]

I'd say no as a Sharks fan. Granlund has been the teams second best player this year (a low bar I know) and has 29 points in 38 games. Kuzmenko is on a much better team and has 19 points in 38 games. His shooting percentage this year is better than league average but he has not been scoring. Kuzmenko on the Sharks would probably be a disaster, he would not have many players who are capable of passing him the puck to create scoring opportunities, Granlund has been able to do that for the Sharks. I would much rather trade Granlund for a pick this year or at the deadline next year than acquiring Kuzmenko whose value I suspect would drop in San Jose.

 

[Petey O]

Kuzmenkno

 

[Shark Finn]

No. Sharks probably prefer a pick as a return.

 

[Breakers]

It’s extremely tough to evaluate San Jose players with the current state of the team.

 

[Cas]

Why would the Sharks want a soon-to-be 28-year-old winger who won't be a contributor to the next good Sharks team and likely would leave as a free agent, and whose return might not actually wind up being any better than what Granlund could return?

We'd want a pick.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

Granlund has been noticeably the best two way player on the sharks. This is definitely not the type of deal SJ is looking for. I think they trade him next deadline for 2nd+prospect or a 1st from a desperate playoff team if he keeps performing like he has. Only issue is he just had a significant shoulder injury against Chicago.

 

[Son of Petter]

back we go into a Sea of Granlunds… #ripBotch

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

This trade is awful.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Vancouver will have to trade Kuzmenko for nothing, because unless Tocchet is fired Kuzmenko has no future on the team, and with his current production nobody will pay anything substantial for his contract.

 

[biturbo19]

Granlund sucks and does absolutely nothing for the Canucks. Any issues Tocchet has with Kuzmenko, would be magnified substantially with Granlund's game. At least Kuzmenko has shown chemistry previously with Pettersson and has top tier goal-scoring capability. Granlund is a soft, slow, defensively questionable passer-leaning complementary forward who just doesn't fit whatsoever.

 

[Play]

Kuzmenko is on a much better team and has 19 points in 38 games. l

And you’re basing this off this one season?

 

[Le Rosbeef]

San Jose will take picks with salary-accommodating cap dumps on 1-2 year deals.

Everything else, hard pass.

 

[Pestilence]

Granlund sucks and does absolutely nothing for the Canucks. Any issues Tocchet has with Kuzmenko, would be magnified substantially with Granlund's game. At least Kuzmenko has shown chemistry previously with Pettersson and has top tier goal-scoring capability. Granlund is a soft, slow, defensively questionable passer-leaning complementary forward who just doesn't fit whatsoever.

How exactly is Granlund defensively questionable? He is a passer and a complementary piece at this point of his career, but he isn't butter soft and has a responsible defensive game. So hard to see any coach having problem with him.

 

[Play]

San Jose will take picks with salary-accommodating cap dumps on 1-2 year deals.

Everything else, hard pass.

Fine.

 

[Brookbank]

Why would the Sharks want a soon-to-be 28-year-old winger who won't be a contributor to the next good Sharks team and likely would leave as a free agent, and whose return might not actually wind up being any better than what Granlund could return?

We'd want a pick.

Because he's 2023 Boeser?

 

[biturbo19]

How exactly is Granlund defensively questionable? He is a passer and a complementary piece at this point of his career, but he isn't butter soft and has a responsible defensive game. So hard to see any coach having problem with him.

Granlund absolutely is butter soft all around and that very much carries over to his defensive play. A coach like Tocchet would absolutely eviscerate his play and have him in the doghouse faster than Kuzmenko, who at least kinda tries hard most of the time. Granlund is a complete floater.

Any narrative claiming Granlund has ever been anything but soft and defensively questionable is purely based on some analytics charts and not actually watching the guy flake out shift after shift. He's had some defensively responsible players around him at various times that might flatter results, but individually, he just sucks.

Heck, Markus was a lot less talented than Mikael, but even he was at least a tiny bit grittier. And even that was...completely inadequate embarrassing levels of general softness.

Granlund is one of those players who drives every coach absolutely nuts because you can see that he understands what he should be doing...yet he willfully decides not to, most of the time. It's not that he's lacking hockey smarts and anticipation to be a decent defensive player...it's that he's completely lacking in the will and ability to engage physically and actually participate in a robust defensive system. He needs a pair of linemates who are going to engage and do the heavy lifting so he can coast.

Then add in the fact he's not any kind of goal-scorer and the fact he's pretty slow, and it just makes absolutely zero sense for a team like the Canucks and how they're trying to build, for a coach like Tocchet.



There's a reason Granlund was an absolute pure and total cap dump out of Pittsburgh. Should've been a pure dump out of Nashville but Hextall is a moron. Minnesota couldn't wait to get rid of him by the end. Coaches and GMs don't want this guy on a good team. And it's not because he lacks "skill". It's...all of the other very important stuff that he lacks.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Granlund and Canucks should never be mentioned in the same sentence ever again.

 

[Jared Dunn]

And you’re basing this off this one season?

I mean also that the Sharks are a borderline AHL squad?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Kuzmenko has a 12 team no-trade list. I can't imagine him not having San Jose on that list. He'd almost certainly say no if that's the case. I'm not exactly sure what's in it for the Sharks. Granlund at least plays center for us and we're kind of short on them. I think this only makes any sense for us if we're immediately flipping Kuzmenko to a place he wants to go for a draft pick or prospect.

 

[north21]

Granlund absolutely is butter soft all around and that very much carries over to his defensive play. A coach like Tocchet would absolutely eviscerate his play and have him in the doghouse faster than Kuzmenko, who at least kinda tries hard most of the time. Granlund is a complete floater.

Any narrative claiming Granlund has ever been anything but soft and defensively questionable is purely based on some analytics charts and not actually watching the guy flake out shift after shift. He's had some defensively responsible players around him at various times that might flatter results, but individually, he just sucks.

Heck, Markus was a lot less talented than Mikael, but even he was at least a tiny bit grittier. And even that was...completely inadequate embarrassing levels of general softness.

Granlund is one of those players who drives every coach absolutely nuts because you can see that he understands what he should be doing...yet he willfully decides not to, most of the time. It's not that he's lacking hockey smarts and anticipation to be a decent defensive player...it's that he's completely lacking in the will and ability to engage physically and actually participate in a robust defensive system. He needs a pair of linemates who are going to engage and do the heavy lifting so he can coast.

Then add in the fact he's not any kind of goal-scorer and the fact he's pretty slow, and it just makes absolutely zero sense for a team like the Canucks and how they're trying to build, for a coach like Tocchet.



There's a reason Granlund was an absolute pure and total cap dump out of Pittsburgh. Should've been a pure dump out of Nashville but Hextall is a moron. Minnesota couldn't wait to get rid of him by the end. Coaches and GMs don't want this guy on a good team. And it's not because he lacks "skill". It's...all of the other very important stuff that he lacks.

He is very solid defensively, always has been, but ya kind of butter soft but still never seemed scred to sacrifice his body to go into the dirty areas or make a play. Can't argue against slow but he was great in MN.

 

[Cogburn]

0 interest in Granlund, and Kuzmenko is still worth more despite everything going on.

A terrible proposal for the Canucks.

 

[Wpgpage]

Before his injury I had thought Granlund would be a good fit for the Jets. Winnipeg already has a solid "3rd" line that takes the heavy matchups. They have some very defensively sound wingers that can dig and go to the hard areas. What they need is someone to slot in on their "2nd" line & #2 PP an offensive upgrade on Vlad Namestnikov preferably a distributor who can feed Ehlers or KC. Bonus points if they don't completely suck in the dot. The Jets also don't want to spend a ton and they don't want someone with a ton of term a 2025 FA is ideal.


The problem I see would be the 5 mil for next year Winnipeg can only really afford to pay 3-4 mil on that position so Sharks would have to retain. With two slots already used that would really limit what the Sharks could do this offseason which is probably not a situation they want to put themselves in.

If the Sharks were willing to retain then a deal might be there. The Jets could also take Leblanc's money this season and just send him to the minors to offset some of the $$ SJ would be eating next year but again that put the Sharks in a poor position this offseason.