This. If I had a nickel for every complaint on this board about Roussel and his contract or Beagle and his contract or, especially Eriksson and HIS contract I would be as rich as FAQ. There were suggestions awhile ago of us giving up our first just to get rid of Loui alone (which I thought was insane but, hey, haters gotta hate); now we have rid ourselves of three big contracts of players that barely moved the needle for us in return for a #1 d man and a solid depth player. It should be very interesting to see how these three former Canucks perform in the desert; certainly Loui has died and gone to heaven. I'm betting they all excel there. OEL will be vilified before he sets foot on the ice so expect him to regress or, worse yet, get injured. I'm not much of a Benning fan but this deal took guts to pull off and I would laugh if it saves him his job (something that FAQ is almost desperate to happen it seems).
Confirmed with Link: [VAN/ARI] Garland,OEL(12% retained) for 9th OA,2nd in 22,7th in 23,Beagle,Roussel,Eriksson
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This. If I had a nickel for every complaint on this board about Roussel and his contract or Beagle and his contract or, especially Eriksson and HIS contract I would be as rich as FAQ. There were suggestions awhile ago of us giving up our first just to get rid of Loui alone (which I thought was insane but, hey, haters gotta hate); now we have rid ourselves of three big contracts of players that barely moved the needle for us in return for a #1 d man and a solid depth player. It should be very interesting to see how these three former Canucks perform in the desert; certainly Loui has died and gone to heaven. I'm betting they all excel there. OEL will be vilified before he sets foot on the ice so expect him to regress or, worse yet, get injured. I'm not much of a Benning fan but this deal took guts to pull off and I would laugh if it saves him his job (something that FAQ is almost desperate to happen it seems).
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Oel gonna pull a shea weber trade and turn into a stud!!!?!!!!!
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Even if those picks don't work out Arizona traded away one of the worst contracts in the league at the cost of a youngish top 6 winger, that's still a really solid deal.
The cost to move OEL straight up would have probably been at least a top 10 pick (plus another pick or two), is Garland worth that? Probably not.
Next year means nothing for Arizona because they're going to be tanking and the acquired players actually will make them worse which is a win in the short term.
This trade is a heist for the Coyotes. We should have received a pick back for taking on OEL. Too bad our GM thinks it 2012 and he's getting an elite #1 defensemen.
Benning mentioned recovering picks so I assume that is what he is going to get for Schmidt. That being said OEL, Hughes, Myers and Rathbone are all the same type of Dman and do not bring what we need to the back end but
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Is a solid forward group but our defense is still hot trash
Miller-Petey-Boeser
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Is a solid forward group but our defense is still hot trash
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That isn't quite the way LTIR works though. It doesn't create cap space. It just lets you spend over by that amount. What are you going to do if Ferland returns to the lineup?
Exactly. Sure, there's plenty of potential risk... but VAN basically replaced 3 pressbox/4th line players with a Top 4 D and a Top 6 forward. It's not worth being so furious about.
Literally every D we add turns to poop. Why would OEL totally buck this trend. What did Travis Green and this team do to make people think we are capable at developing/Improving anything other than goalies.
This is the first criticism that I have read about Green that didn't include the name Jim Benning in quite some time. Baby steps...
I’m with you bro. Just look at Buffalo, Edmonton.. always picking picks but never having the cast to surround them.
I think this was a good deal to make especially losing our baggage of fourth line tweneers.
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Green is criticized here constantly. The media fellates him to no end, but he isn't remotely popular on this board.
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So you are just ignoring Erickson, Beagle and Roussel? Each one of those was worth a good pick. Trade makes sense for both teams for different reasons.
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This is such a short sighted way to look at the trade. Sure for this upcoming year it makes us better, what about the following year(s)?
If OEL doesn't significantly improve his play the we just traded for the worst contract in the league.
Those 3 pressbox/4th liners would have been completely off the books next year.
Just think how much of an anchor the Loui contract was. OEL's contract has the potential to be very close to that if not the exact same.
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You are allowed to go 10% over the cap in the off season then it is recalculated (formula on CapFriendly) when players go onto LTIR to start the season. Ferland is undoubtedly going onto LTIR and not coming back this season. There has never been any indication from any source that a Ferland return was even possible at this point. It's been demonstrated twice that he can go from asymptomatic to back to concussion symptoms with minimal contact when trying to return to the game. I dont see why a doctor would clear him after both of those attempts failed.
If he doesnt go onto LTIR to start the season then we absolutely have to shed salary to fill out the roster. At least 3 million, which isnt likely in a Holtby trade as I'd suspect we would retain some in that scenario. However, it is safe to assume that Ferland doesnt exist from a cap perspective (so you can subtract his salary off of the capfriendly total).
You’re not alone. I’m happy with this move as well. We got Garland who is producing very well and is currently 25 years old. Do we just want to keep drafting like the Oilers and Buffalo? We do if we don’t have the young guns.. but we have Pettersson, Hughes, Hoglander and Podzolkin coming in right now.
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I think OEL will be like what Edler was. Solid minute muncher who will eventually regress to a bottom pairing dman hopefully only for the last year of his deal
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Dude is already 30 years old. Myers is 31 years old. Schmidt is 30 years old. The Benning brigade were complaining he inherited a bunch of geezers when he was first hired (Tanev 24 years old, Edler 29 years old, Hamhuis 31 years old).
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