upd: Laine has 16 goals (5 tonight) in last 10 games

[Psych0dad]

This is prime Laine and he is no better than past his prime Ovi.

Sure he has a great shot and excellent positional awareness but Laine is so slow and awkward when he accelerates/skates that he rarely creates chances for himself. It's not a surprise he has 19 goal and only 3 assists.

He creates chances all the time for his linemates and himself. He skates faster around the rink than McKinnon, but hos acceleration isn't there yet...he is 20 and large, developing the muscle to move that ship doesn't happen overnight. His twig legs are getting stronger but he won't be in physical prime for years. Still he can absolutely dominate due to his IQ and shot. He won't remain a slow accelerator.

This is far, far from prime Laine. No players reach prime at 20. Physocal prime is 5-8 years down the road.

 

[Narow]

Laine have scored 3 NHL hattricks in the same month in 3 Different countries. Finland, Canada and Usa. Maybe we could call this Lainetrick.

Or a "hattrick laine"

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Now Laine’s skating is being compared in a disingenuous way to MacKinnon. This is why reasonable discussion is so difficult.

 

[BB88]

He creates chances all the time for his linemates and himself. He skates faster around the rink than McKinnon, but hos acceleration isn't there yet...he is 20 and large, developing the muscle to move that ship doesn't happen overnight. His twig legs are getting stronger but he won't be in physical prime for years. Still he can absolutely dominate due to his IQ and shot. He won't remain a slow accelerator.

This is far, far from prime Laine. No players reach prime at 20. Physocal prime is 5-8 years down the road.

Why do you have to go over the top always with Laine?

Can't you just start watching the actual games for once.

 

[Dondini]

He creates chances all the time for his linemates and himself. He skates faster around the rink than McKinnon, but hos acceleration isn't there yet...he is 20 and large, developing the muscle to move that ship doesn't happen overnight. His twig legs are getting stronger but he won't be in physical prime for years. Still he can absolutely dominate due to his IQ and shot. He won't remain a slow accelerator.

This is far, far from prime Laine. No players reach prime at 20. Physocal prime is 5-8 years down the road.

Goal scoring for star players usually peaks before 25

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Did someone just say Laine skates faster then Mackinnon?

 

[Halberdier]

He is not. He is a elite goal scorer and PP specialist. He is not a complete hockey player and his play away from the puck is lazy and worst today then his first year in the NHL. I want to keep him a Jet long term. But if he is only a PP specialist and a liability on defence I don't want the Jets wasting 10m a year of cap space for a PP specialist. If he is willing to sign for 7-8 million for 5-6 years I can live with that but not 10+ like some suggest he will get.

That opinion of yours doesn't match reality too much.

No lazy PP specialist would be leading his team on 5-on-5 goal differential for rookie + sophmore seasons, regular + playoffs. Somehow Laine managed to do that.

No lazy PP specialist would lead his team by mile on the most advanced stat there is, WAR for his rookie + sophmore seasons. Laine managed to do that and to be TOP-10 in whole NHL.

I am not going so far that what you are posting all over again counts as "hatred", but if similar outrageous and totally false things were said about eg. Wheeler, that would be considered as hatred. You are entitled to your opinion nevertheless.

 

[Cellee]

This is prime Laine and he is no better than past his prime Ovi.

Sure he has a great shot and excellent positional awareness but Laine is so slow and awkward when he accelerates/skates that he rarely creates chances for himself. It's not a surprise he has 19 goal and only 3 assists.

"Prime Laine"

 

[shtorm2005]

Did someone just say Laine skates faster then Mackinnon?

Of course. Even McDavid looks like a turtle with Laine on the ice.

 

[Cellee]

Goal scoring for star players usually peaks before 25

Ok...he is 20

 

[Halberdier]

Did someone just say Laine skates faster then Mackinnon?

Maybe someone was referring to 16-17 all star competition, where that really occurred. But MacKinnon has much better acceleration so his "real world speed" is better even if Laine could match or even surpass his top end speed.

Long stride of Laine makes him look very slow compared to his actual speed.

 

[1OApick]

They have measured their skating speed. Laine won MacK at 2017 All-Star game. And he exactly said Laine have skated rink around faster than MacKinnon which is 100% true. Ofc their acceleration is not at same level. Tall lanky players always look like they are slow.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

They have measured their skating speed. Laine won MacK at 2017 All-Star game. And he exactly said Laine have skated rink around faster than MacKinnon which is 100% true. Ofc their acceleration is not at same level. Tall lanky players always look like they are slow.

Oh really? I just remembered last yeAr when kypreos said the only person mcdavid had to worry about is Nathan Mackinnon, and when I watch Mackinnon I understand why. So again I’m surprised Mack isn’t higher Laine, didn’t realie he beat him in 17?

So I’m surprised Mackinnon seems to be always a favourite then he loses (do you remember 17,s top 3?) or didn’t even finish top three last year. In 2018 The only three guys to get in the 13 second club were in order McDavid, Point and Eichel. Only reason Jack finished there was his strides around the net, he stumbled at the beginning or else he may of won as he was 0.6 off. But to me his skating while great just isn’t as explosive as say a Larkin, a point, Mackinnon or mcdavid. It’s just his mobility, those swift turns, and stride.


Either way Laine has other tools then his shot, but I think what people mean or at least I do that his only elite skillset is his shot. He Still has other fantastic attributes , his Hands ...but are they elite when it comes to stick-handling and playmaking. No. Is he great with those things? Yes. But that’s different. He’s stilk quite easily one of the best players in the game, let alone young players.

 

[BB88]

Did someone just say Laine skates faster then Mackinnon?

We have 2 posters who love to think Laine is a better skater than Mackinnon, don't think there's more than that.

 

[PhilJets]

Laine top speed is fast, is accelaration will get better.
He is carried more weight starting last year, his body will adjust to his weight to get his speed back.

He is not the top skaters but he is no slouch.
His strides doesnt look like some of the smaller players. Quick short steps.
His 3rd goal last game looks like he was just gliding and the Blues player not able to catch him.
Many are better than Laine than a lot of things. Well a 20 year old normally have things to improve anyways.

But right now he is looking like the best at the most important skill a hockey player could have. And want.
Shooting the puck with velocity and accuracy.
He is the Stepen Curry of hockey;
He can score anywhere with less minutes than his contemporaries.

 

[1OApick]

We have 2 posters who love to think Laine is a better skater than Mackinnon, don't think there's more than that.

No im not saying Laine is faster in actual game just said what Psychodad said. Laine was faster skating around the rink and it is a fact. Is Laine faster than MacKinnon in an actual hockey game, no. Yees this is like being interviewed by The Sun.

 

[Halberdier]

Oh really? I just remembered last yeAr when kypreos said the only person mcdavid had to worry about is Nathan Mackinnon, and when I watch Mackinnon I understand why. So again I’m surprised Mack isn’t higher Laine, didn’t realie he beat him in 17?

So I’m surprised Mackinnon seems to be always a favourite then he loses (do you remember 17,s top 3?) or didn’t even finish top three last year. In 2018 The only three guys to get in the 13 second club were in order McDavid, Point and Eichel. Only reason Jack finished there was his strides around the net, he stumbled at the beginning or else he may of won as he was 0.6 off. But to me his skating while great just isn’t as explosive as say a Larkin, a point, Mackinnon or mcdavid. It’s just his mobility, those swift turns, and stride.


Either way Laine has other tools then his shot, but I think what people mean or at least I do that his only elite skillset is his shot. He has fantadtic
Hands bit are they elite when it comes to stock-handling and playmaking. No. Is he great with those things? Yes. But that’s different. He’s stilk quite easily one of the best players in the game, let alone young players.

Here is the video about skating competition (Laine vs. Horvat ~2.50, MacK vs. McD later):


It's fair to say MacK might not have been too motivated to skate when he found out McD will beat him like 100-0. Still that shows that Laine is actually pretty fast and skilled skater, and "just" needs to get more explosive power and agility to get his first steps more sharp.

He is working on that, and after next summer he will be again better. I'm pretty confident his trainer knows what he is doing given how Rantanen and Laine have been playing so far.

 

[Halberdier]

We have 2 posters who love to think Laine is a better skater than Mackinnon, don't think there's more than that.

Not true. We do have one poster (@BB88) that loves to whack some strawmen.

What @Psych0dad said was factually correct, and didn't imply Laine being better skater than MacK. He carefully explained how acceleration is the weakness of Laine.

 

[Narow]

Now Laine’s skating is being compared in a disingenuous way to MacKinnon. This is why reasonable discussion is so difficult.

He is not close to the skater mckinnons is....that claim is most likely based on the all star skating challenge which means next to nothing to in game skating....

He did catch mackinnon on the rush once in his rookie season but it was due to his range with the stick not skating hehe

 

[BB88]

Not true. We do have one poster (@BB88) that loves to whack some strawmen.

What @Psych0dad said was factually correct, and didn't imply Laine being better skater than MacK. He carefully explained how acceleration is the weakness of Laine.

No im not saying Laine is faster in actual game just said what Psychodad said. Laine was faster skating around the rink and it is a fact. Is Laine faster than MacKinnon in an actual hockey game, no. Yees this is like being interviewed by The Sun.

"He skates faster around the rink than McKinnon, but hos acceleration isn't there yet."
All Stars competition isn't exactly 100% fact, it's a weekend created for fans and players having fun.

Doesn't take a whole lot to see Mackinnon is the faster skater, he's one of the fastest players in the league.

 

[Dondini]

Ok...he is 20

Yup foresure I wasn’t saying that he was close to his peak or anything just the suggestion that 8 years is probably wrong. He will probably peak in offensive production around 23-25. But who knows haha. It sure is impressive that he’s closing in on 100 goals at the beginning of his 20 year old season. If he can get some Ovechkin like health he will have stupid goal totals as well.

 

[Cellee]

Yup foresure I wasn’t saying that he was close to his peak or anything just the suggestion that 8 years is probably wrong. He will probably peak in offensive production around 23-25. But who knows haha. It sure is impressive that he’s closing in on 100 goals at the beginning of his 20 year old season. If he can get some Ovechkin like health he will have stupid goal totals as well.

Agreed

 

[GaryPoppins]

Well said. I think he truly loves playing in Winnipeg, I think it reminds him of home, and loves the guys he plays with.

Laine wants to be happy and win.

This is the same kid who gave his signing bonus to his parents. Doesnt seem like a money-driven guy

 

[Psych0dad]

"He skates faster around the rink than McKinnon, but hos acceleration isn't there yet."
All Stars competition isn't exactly 100% fact, it's a weekend created for fans and players having fun.

Doesn't take a whole lot to see Mackinnon is the faster skater, he's one of the fastest players in the league.

As has already been explained, I don't think Laine is as good of a skater as McK, at least yet. But to call Laine slow is ridiculous when he can beat guys like McK in a race.

Laine doesn't make as much movement as most players do. He has a strong technique, but not enough fast muscle to get going. He will never look busy, he is certainly a "work smarter not harder" kinda guy. His skating looks laxy but it's just economic...he doesn't go slow just because his feet move less than for example Wheeler. They have different techniques.

 

[Cellee]

This is the same kid who gave his signing bonus to his parents. Doesnt seem like a money-driven guy

No he doesn't.

He isn't going to play for free, but he seems like he likes where he is.