OT: University/College Questions Part IV

[canadiansbronco]

Looks like they didn't back down on the hike but agreed about stuff concerning university spending

 

[Clumsyhab]

Looks like they didn't back down on the hike but agreed about stuff concerning university spending

Winner-winner solution. Better work out and probably will.

 

[Batali Crocs*]

I wonder how they convinced that clown Dubois to change his mind considering a few days ago he said he wanted to eliminate tuition. He probably got his education paid from the government. No way a person does a complete 180 just like that.

 

[habitue*]

I wonder how they convinced that clown Dubois to change his mind considering a few days ago he said he wanted to eliminate tuition. He probably got his education paid from the government. No way a person does a complete 180 just like that.

It's called "negotiation strategy"... He's getting waht he really hoped for.

 

[Bill McNeal]

It's called "negotiation strategy"... He's getting waht he really hoped for.

Limelight.

 

[Goldthorpe]

It's called "negotiation strategy"... He's getting waht he really hoped for.

Let's see if all the lunatics he rattled for 12 weeks who are here for the revolution see it the same way.

 

[ClasslessGuy]

So much disinformation for this whole thing (on both side)

 

[Kriss E]

There isn't an agreement. Just an offer that will be submitted.

 

[Goldthorpe]

There isn't an agreement. Just an offer that will be submitted.

That's the associations view of it. Everybody else - including the unions - seem to call it "un entente de principe".

 

[canadiansbronco]

That's the associations view of it. Everybody else - including the unions - seem to call it "un entente de principe".

Yeh but thing is the agreement is on the terms not on a return to class, associations still have to vote on that

 

[TRG]

I wonder how they convinced that clown Dubois to change his mind considering a few days ago he said he wanted to eliminate tuition. He probably got his education paid from the government. No way a person does a complete 180 just like that.

GND is a "chargé de cours", not a student.

 

[canadiansbronco]

GND is a "chargé de cours", not a student.

Still a complete 180

 

[Goldthorpe]

So, any words on the details? It's almost 20h10 and I can't find them anywhere.

 

[canadiansbronco]

So, any words on the details? It's almost 20h10 and I can't find them anywhere.

The tuition hike is still in effect but they created some kind of university watch program that will look at the way the founding is spend and will use the money saved and redistribute to student ( not sure about how that works...). they are also lowering some administrative fees, called frais inférent in french

It's on LCN right now

 

[Goldthorpe]

My reading of the deal is that it basically give the ball to the universities. If they can manage to cut some of their expense (through the "watch program") then the tuition won't be raised at much. But in the end, it won't be the government problem anymore if this "watch program" end up failing.

 

[canadiansbronco]

My reading of the deal is that it basically give the ball to the universities. If they can manage to cut some of their expense (through the "watch program") then the tuition won't be raised at much. But in the end, it won't be the government problem anymore if this "watch program" end up failing.

that's my understanding also, it could either go up like it couldn't. It also so seems that the student leaders will have to prove or show the watch program where they can cut and it needs to e approved by the rest of the commitee.

 

[Mathradio]

GND is a "chargé de cours", not a student.

Perhaps GND is a graduate student as well, since a good fraction of "chargés de cours" are grad students...

 

[Booba]

GND is a "chargé de cours", not a student.

I'm sure he is a student. I studied Social Sciences with him in CEGEP and we both graduated in 2009.

 

[llamateizer]

GND is a "chargé de cours", not a student.

you can be a charge de cours while been a student

 

[RoyBoyCoy]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-raises-tuition-but-students-wont-pay-more-in-tentative-deal/article2424035/

So tuition goes up, funding for non-academic activities and services gets cut, yet protestors claim some sort of victory over the government. Narrow-minded idiot protestors really don't see that they've done more damage than good, so set on a single goal which they also failed to accomplish.

 

[ThaDevilGirl]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-raises-tuition-but-students-wont-pay-more-in-tentative-deal/article2424035/

So tuition goes up, funding for non-academic activities and services gets cut, yet protestors claim some sort of victory over the government. Narrow-minded idiot protestors really don't see that they've done more damage than good, so set on a single goal which they also failed to accomplish.

I don't think it's a bad trade short term because it will force universities to manage their money better but if it doesn't get results students will have to get ready and pay for their education what it deserves.

 

[Andy]

Students will be probably be protesting in next year if they don't end up saving in administration fees.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Good that it's putting some form of accountability on the school's budget but at same time this has limited potential. You can only cut so much.

 

[Andy]

Good that it's putting some form of accountability on the school's budget but at same time this has limited potential. You can only cut so much.

Yup. Also did the article mention that some student services could be cut? I don't see how that benefits students. Hey, as long as some sort of concession was made.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Good that it's putting some form of accountability on the school's budget but at same time this has limited potential. You can only cut so much.

True. But lets remember the student's last offer last week: to completely replace the tuition hikes by cuts "dans le gras". They even gave numbers to show how it was doable. Anyone with any kind of experience knew this was complete crap - you can't just go and make arbitrary cuts like that without careful deliberations, and a lot of stuff can easily look superfluous until you actually consider it carefully . The government knew it was crap, and I guess the students probably also knew, but they also thought it was something that would sell well with their supporters (and it did).

Except that now, this new deal links the amount of money cut from the university budgets with the hikes. The associations can't just claim they won't be able to cut enough... when they said exactly the opposite just the week before! They basically screw themselves. Either accept this concept (while knowing the recurring cuts you'll truly be able to make in the end are going to pale compared to the hikes) or admit they were hypocrite all along.

The only party here who doesn't lose is the government. They raise the education budget by the exact same amount they expected in the beginning. Any amount subtracted from the hikes will be from already existing university expenses! The university administrators must be maaaad this morning: suddenly, they are the one who will have to deal with zealous and eager students meticulously inspecting all their expenses. Since the beginning of the strikes, they were nowhere to be found, happy to leave the government do their dirty job. Not anymore.