Value of: Tyson Barrie

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On Pace for 60 points

Signed through next year at $5.5 Million

Avalanche's best prospect Makar potentially taking his place next year.

But good chemistry with the top line and MacKinnon's best friend on the Avalanche.

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[LAKings88]

What do you want from LA? Toffoli, Carter, Quick?

 

[Mighty Makar]

I’d like to keep Barrie, but I think he’s going to price himself out of Colorado, so I think he’ll be traded. It would be nice to get a top 6 forward for him or a good prospect and/or pick.

 

[Mighty Makar]

What do you want from LA? Toffoli, Carter, Quick?

I’d consider Toffoli. Carter and Quick are getting up their in age and Quick is a band-aid.

 

[LAKings88]

I’d consider Toffoli. Carter and Quick are getting up their in age and Quick is a band-aid.

Toffoli/Barrie seems like a good basis for a deal. Not sure what else needs to be added.

First rounders and top prospects (Grundstrom, Kupari, JAD) likely are non starters.

I still think LA doesn’t want to sell low on Toffoli. Still has term too.

 

[LAKings88]

I’d consider Toffoli. Carter and Quick are getting up their in age and Quick is a band-aid.

I disagree on Quick but to each his own.

 

[ThatsSoSlavin]

A fresh new leaf prospect Gake Jardiner

 

[Newsworthy]

The return has to be similar to what Muzzin received.

 

[Eltuna]

The Yandle to NY trade gives a good gauge of what it would take if it were a futures deal. The (heavily rumoured) trades that Shattenkirk nixed with his NMC gives a good idea of what it would take if it was 1 for 1 (St Louis could have gotten Hall or Drouin straight up had Shattenkirk wanted to be traded at the time).

I believe the most fair 1 for 1 trade possible would be for RNH, but with the Oilers lack of forward talent/prospects with top 6 upside they probably wouldn’t do it.

 

[780il]

The Yandle to NY trade gives a good gauge of what it would take if it were a futures deal. The (heavily rumoured) trades that Shattenkirk nixed with his NMC gives a good idea of what it would take if it was 1 for 1 (St Louis could have gotten Hall or Drouin straight up had Shattenkirk wanted to be traded at the time).

I believe the most fair 1 for 1 trade possible would be for RNH, but with the Oilers lack of forward talent/prospects with top 6 upside they probably wouldn’t do it.

Fair trade? Yes

Would we do it? No

 

[JoemAvs]

Avs probably already missed their window to get a good deal for Barrie.

I think he should get traded regardless given the setup of our team and his next contract. But IMO Sakic made quite a big mistake not trading him earlier.

I don't think that there is an obvious suitor out there right now that would be willing to give us a good deal for him. Our best hope is probably a late 1st + a couple of decent prospects like Muzzin returned and it probably will be even worse in the offseason. Hopefully Sakic pulls the trigger sooner than later.

Still can't come up with a reasonable destination, though...

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

He's not for sell.


If anything he needs to be signed to an extension on July 1st. Dude is our only Dman capable of running a PP, our only Dman capable of breaking out of the defensive zone, and our only Defender with a Slap Shot capable of being put on net.


We trade him we're a dumpster fire. Right now we're just a small tire fire but move him and it quickly becomes so much worse.

 

[Eltuna]

Fair trade? Yes

Would we do it? No

Yup which is why I said they probably wouldn’t do it. On the surface it would make sense with the Avs depth of RHD and the Oilers depth at Center, and the two teams obvious needs for a puckmoving RHD/two way Center. But the Oilers really can’t afford to deplete their forward core even further, even though they have Drai/McDavid as centers already.

It’s kind of difficult to make trades for the Oilers since they really don’t have one position with lots of depth either on the roster or in the prospect pool, you would think it would be Center but when you look at the forward position as a whole RNH is pretty needed.

 

[Mighty Makar]

He's not for sell.


If anything he needs to be signed to an extension on July 1st. Dude is our only Dman capable of running a PP, our only Dman capable of breaking out of the defensive zone, and our only Defender with a Slap Shot capable of being put on net.


We trade him we're a dumpster fire. Right now we're just a small tire fire but move him and it quickly becomes so much worse.

I agree with this, but what’s the plan if/when he asks for $8M+? He’s not worth that type of cash.

 

[780il]

Yup which is why I said they probably wouldn’t do it. On the surface it would make sense with the Avs depth of RHD and the Oilers depth at Center, and the two teams obvious needs for a puckmoving RHD/two way Center. But the Oilers really can’t afford to deplete their forward core even further, even though they have Drai/McDavid as centers already.

It’s kind of difficult to make trades for the Oilers since they really don’t have one position with lots of depth either on the roster or in the prospect pool, you would think it would be Center but when you look at the forward position as a whole RNH is pretty needed.

The only position we have depth in the prospect is defense. Bouchard, Jones, and Bear are noteworthy.

 

[tony d]

Barrie's one of the better offensive defensemen in the league. If I'm the Avs I keep him.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Barrie's one of the better offensive defensemen in the league. If I'm the Avs I keep him.

Most Avs’ fans would like to keep him, but it depends on how much bread he wants.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I agree with this, but what’s the plan if/when he asks for $8M+? He’s not worth that type of cash.

Cross that bridge when we get there I guess. I dont think $8M is out of line at all for him personally. People are soon going to realize that with the new cap world we're about to enter into, $8M for a #2Dman who's bread and butter is producing points will be the normal going rate.


Jake Gardiner probably fetches 6-7M this summer, I suspect his contract will be the one to really shed light on what Barrie is worth.


EDIT: Erik Karlsson getting $12-13M likely sheds light on it also. If EK gets 12M+ and Gardiner gets 7M, Barrie will absolutely be deserving of 8M.

 

[JoemAvs]

Barrie's one of the better offensive defensemen in the league. If I'm the Avs I keep him.

Problem with that is that the Avs have Makar and Girard. Both project to be offensive Ds down the line. Girard is solid defensively which is amazing given his age and size. But given his size he will probably never be really a two-way D and I am hopeful that his offense will come.
Jury is still out on Makar but I have my doubts there as well when it comes to him becoming a true two-way D.

Because of that spending 7.5M+ on an offensive D till he is in his mid-30s does not seem like a great idea..
His next contract will start when he is 29 and given that he will get close to 8 M and probably ask for 6-8 years, it will IMO be a very ugly one that I want no part of.
The EJ contract already is starting to backfire a bit on the Avs and I have 0 doubts that the Barrie contract will do the same sooner rather than later.

Sakic should have traded him a longtime ago.
IMO he still should hold a lot of value to a team devoid of offense from the blueline or a team that is in it to win it in the next 2 years. A description that IMO simply does not fit the Avs.

 

[Calad]

I doubt he's traded in season, Avs are in the playoff hunt and should continue to get better next year. I could see him getting moved at the draft, but I think he'll finish out his contract in Colorado

 

[Mighty Makar]

Cross that bridge when we get there I guess. I dont think $8M is out of line at all for him personally. People are soon going to realize that with the new cap world we're about to enter into, $8M for a #2Dman who's bread and butter is producing points will be the normal going rate.


Jake Gardiner probably fetches 6-7M this summer, I suspect his contract will be the one to really shed light on what Barrie is worth.


EDIT: Erik Karlsson getting $12-13M likely sheds light on it also. If EK gets 12M+ and Gardiner gets 7M, Barrie will absolutely be deserving of 8M.

I think anything north of $7.75M is an overpayment for him. We’ll see what happens with him, I guess.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I think you can get a similar (but slighlty better) return than Pacioretty’s.

Top prospect + 1st round pick + replacement player (most likely semi-cap dump where’s he’s still an NHL level player but tad overpaid)

 

[Dr Quincy]

On Pace for 60 points

Signed through next year at $5.5 Million

Avalanche's best prospect Makar potentially taking his place next year.

But good chemistry with the top line and MacKinnon's best friend on the Avalanche.

Just my opinion, but you shouldn't trade a "60 point dman" to make room for a prospect. Ever.

You make a prospect earn a spot on the roster, and then earn a spot on a line/pairing.

If you are offering an established player in order to play a guy who has never stepped on professional ice a spot in the top 4, then you are suggesting that the guy you are trading isn't really "that good". I'm not saying Barrie isn't, but if he is... there is zero reason why you wouldn't have both he and Makar.

 

[Murzu]

Rather not trade him.

If we trade him, I'd want a 1 for 1 swap.

Trouba?

 

[Mighty Makar]

Rather not trade him.

If we trade him, I'd want a 1 for 1 swap.

Trouba?

I’d do it, not sure about the Jets, though. I think they have cap problems after this season?