Confirmed with Link: Tyler Toffoli for 1st, 5th, Pitlick, Heineman

[crackdown44]

Dumping Monahan level salary is usually something that happens at the draft/in the summer not mid season. As nice as it would have been to upgrade at center using his cap hit the premium you’d be paying to do so would be huge

For example the price to get Giroux plus sending Monahan’s salary back to Philly would have likely been significantly higher than this. Probably even more for Hertl since it would be the same scenario + divisional premium

Happy with the player happy with the price. Pay to dump Monahan or others in the summer if you need to or flip Toffoli for assets if you’re stuck.

If JG walks we’re not contending anyway but whether or not he comes back has nothing to do with this acquisition

 

[DFF]

If Toffoli performs like he is supposed to, a 30 goal scorer then it’s a good deal

On the other hand, he could be the next James Neal…..dude is slow enough to be one

 

[FlamesFreak4]

Is there a possibility the flames can buyout Lucic in the summer and the re-sign him for much cheaper like they did with Stone?

 

[TheHudlinator]

I am honestly not worried about the cap. The causality here may not be Monahan, it might be Mangi. Which would suck, but it's manageable. If you can't move Monahan this offseason, you move Mangi and recoup the assets you paid to get Toffoli. Then you have Pelletier step in next season for Mangi.

I get a bad feeling that 1 of if not both Gaudreau and Chucky have made it clear they won't be signing long term extensions here. Chucky gets moved at the draft for a 1st + and we no longer have a cap issue but our top line takes a massive hit

 

[TheHudlinator]

Is there a possibility the flames can buyout Lucic in the summer and the re-sign him for much cheaper like they did with Stone?

His contract is buyout proof as it is all signing bonus, we save like 500k by buying him out. It's literally one of the worst contracts ever

 

[Mobiandi]

Btw the 5th rounder is in 2024

 

[TheHudlinator]

Man Benning might be the best GM in Flames history

Toffoli
Andersson
Tanev
Markstrom
Gudbranson
He wanted lucic too

 

[JurassicTunga]

Classic

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I just don’t get this trade from a cap point of view. Oh well.

also, the most surprising part of the trade, to me, was that we were paying Pitlick almost 2 million a year

 

[Rubi]

Is there a possibility the flames can buyout Lucic in the summer and the re-sign him for much cheaper like they did with Stone?

I don't see a buyout of Lucic this summer. A buyout will only save the Flames $667,000 in cap space and leave them with a $4.667M dead cap hit. Not much point to it.
Better to just pay him his $4M salary and accept the $5.25M cap hit.

 

[TheHudlinator]

I just don’t get this trade from a cap point of view. Oh well.

Lucic might need next season off his back is getting sore and apparently that's fine

 

[DFF]

I just don’t get this trade from a cap point of view. Oh well.

also, the most surprising part of the trade, to me, was that we were paying Pitlick almost 2 million a year

Look at Tampa and Vegas…..Cap works itself out…..don’t worry too much….the time is now. Let’s go lol

 

[DFF]

Lucic might need next season off his back is getting sore and apparently that's fine

Yeah you go to Looch and Monahan and tell them I think you are hurt, here is free money, go enjoy yourself till the playoffs….

 

[TheHudlinator]

I'm pumped we are actually adding and addressing needs unlike every other season. Other than not playing center toffoli helps solve so many problems we have and fits the sutter philosophy perfectly. I fully expected a #7 D and #13 F. I understand that there are potentially a few centers we could have gone after but 1. We still can although unlikely 2. There is no guarantee they would be willing to come here or get moved

Other than the Avs I think we can hang with any team in the west

 

[Anglesmith]

Yeah you go to Looch and Monahan and tell them I think you are hurt, here is free money, go enjoy yourself till the playoffs….

"Your knee looks like it's hurting..." *swings tire iron menacingly*

 

[lightstorm]

Not bad, paying a first and essentially a second for a guy that was UFA in 2020 and didnt want to come here. Take that Tyler!

 

[Yepthatsme]

I'm pumped we are actually adding and addressing needs unlike every other season. Other than not playing center toffoli helps solve so many problems we have and fits the sutter philosophy perfectly. I fully expected a #7 D and #13 F. I understand that there are potentially a few centers we could have gone after but 1. We still can although unlikely 2. There is no guarantee they would be willing to come here or get moved

Other than the Avs I think we can hang with any team in the west

That’s the biggest thing for me. San Jose is apparently pushing hard to re-sign Hertl instead of trading him, and even if he hits the market he has his choice of 3 teams. Pavelski isn’t even playing centre currently and would be more expensive as a pure rental. So our other option was pretty much enter a bidding war for Giroux and accept our 1 in 10-12 chance of getting him, or hope we get the Pavelski consolation prize. Neither would help the team after these playoffs, and both would leave our cupboards significantly emptier. I’ll take Toffoli and probably Pelletier for years after this than a 10% chance at Giroux or Pavelski.

The same people complaining now would’ve been furious when Colorado and say NYR put in offers for those players we can’t come close to matching and we walk away empty handed.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I'm pumped we are actually adding and addressing needs unlike every other season. Other than not playing center toffoli helps solve so many problems we have and fits the sutter philosophy perfectly. I fully expected a #7 D and #13 F. I understand that there are potentially a few centers we could have gone after but 1. We still can although unlikely 2. There is no guarantee they would be willing to come here or get moved

Other than the Avs I think we can hang with any team in the west

Maybe we can hang with the Avs too, the way the 2013 Bruins beat a stacked Penguins team

 

[TheHudlinator]

Maybe we can hang with the Avs too, the way the 2013 Bruins beat a stacked Penguins team

I'm not sold on their goaltending so I do think there is a chance but the fact they have a 100 point center that isn't MacKinnon and a D man like Makar is scary, but it's nice to be optimistic for a change

 

[TheHudlinator]

That’s the biggest thing for me. San Jose is apparently pushing hard to re-sign Hertl instead of trading him, and even if he hits the market he has his choice of 3 teams. Pavelski isn’t even playing centre currently and would be more expensive as a pure rental. So our other option was pretty much enter a bidding war for Giroux and accept our 1 in 10-12 chance of getting him, or hope we get the Pavelski consolation prize. Neither would help the team after these playoffs, and both would leave our cupboards significantly emptier. I’ll take Toffoli and probably Pelletier for years after this than a 10% chance at Giroux or Pavelski.

The same people complaining now would’ve been furious when Colorado and say NYR put in offers for those players we can’t come close to matching and we walk away empty handed.

The only complaint I have is I wish we had gotten Eichel but that boat has sailed

 

[Mobiandi]

Maybe we can hang with the Avs too, the way the 2013 Bruins beat a stacked Penguins team

I really don't think this Avs team is as scary as the 2020 and 2021 versions. I'm not saying we could easily take them but I wouldn't be surprised if a supposed underdog like the Wild got in their heads and took them out in 6.

They give me regular-season bullies, playoff roadkill vibes

 

[Body Checker]

Good trade; this is the year to try to go for it imo. Add Andrew Copp now.

 

[TheHudlinator]

They give me regular-season bullies, playoff roadkill vibes

Considering they did that to us I don't think they would suffer the same fate

 

[Mobiandi]

Considering they did that to us I don't think they would suffer the same fate

It's just a gut feeling really. They're a pretty small team and they lost a lot of depth over the summer. I think they'll have some problems against a team with nothing to lose.

Their goaltending is also kinda shakey and I like Kuemper

 

[TheHudlinator]

It's just a gut feeling really. They're a pretty small team and they lost a lot of depth over the summer. I think they'll have some problems against a team with nothing to lose.

Their goaltending is also kinda shakey and I like Kuemper

I agree about goaltending but they haven't even added yet put Giroux on their third line and look out