Tyler Biggs

[Faltorvo]

It is not Biggs' fault as to how he was drafted or when. When assessing a players skill level and potential, we shouldn't look at those during assessment and when comparing to other players in the organization. We as a fan base have him rated so poorly its embarrassing.

Well you should then have a chat with HF board, they have him down as a 6.5C.

 

[Faltorvo]

At this point, sure. But these are PROSPECTS, give them time to develop before writing them off. Different specs develop at different rates, and players like Biggs are known to take longer, so lets wait and see before getting all hysterical about who we did or did not take over him.

Oh I agree, I have not given up on him, lots of time to grow his game.

The harshest thing I have ever said about him is.

"I have yet to see the reason why they spent the extra pick to move up and get him"

 

[BondraTime]

A meaner Chad Kilger if all goes well? A good comparison?

 

[theIceWookie]

Prime examples of how the late 1st round is a crapshoot.

Biggs will quickly move towards bust status without major improvements in the AHL this year, and if Gauthier's offensive progression remains stagnant again in the Q, you can bet he will quickly move towards that status as well.

If you arent developing in your prime years for development then there is a problem

It's all perception. Just because you think Biggs is a bust doesn't make it in any way true. Fortunately for us, fan ideas of what is and what is not a bust doesn't affect the development of a player for the organization.

Brendon Gaunce, Radek Faksa and a few others taken in the top 20 in the recent 5 drafts all didn't progress offensively right away and are far from being busts. Fans need to learn that not everything they want happens right away. There's this thing called patience that sometimes is pretty necessary to a player developing properly.

Last year was Biggs first pro season. If he were a Detroit prospect, no one would care that he had a meh season (like Martin Frk for example), because he'd still be 2 seasons away from getting into the NHL. Some players just need time to develop. Little piece of context that probably has hurt Biggs; He hasn't played two seasons since years before being drafted. He's gone from the US national U17 team to the U18 team, to the USNTDP, to the NCAA, to the Generals, and finally to the Marlies in 5 seasons. This will be the first time that he's been on a team with the same systems and teammates for forever. That's probably a really good thing. Also he's only 21, he's barely had time to really develop.

And Gauthier WAS LITERALLY DRAFTED JUST A YEAR AGO. He won't have even gone pro after this season. Calling him a bust if he stagnates offensively is purely idiotic.

Development simply takes time. Players making it in a year are not the norm. They take time and most non top 10 prospects take a little longer than all you impatient fans seem to realize. Settle down and learn some damn patience.

Man if the Leafs had drafted Logan Couture back in the day, all of you would have had a s*** fit in his two post draft seasons. His best offensive season in the OHL was his 2nd OHL season, the season he had prior to being drafted. He was barely a PPG the year after, and in his 4th season he was only a 1.40 PPG player. now he's universally adored. Proving that development sometimes (often) isn't the linear, cookie cutter standard you are pushing it as.

 

[Liminality]

Well you should then have a chat with HF board, they have him down as a 6.5C.

I think that's a fair ranking for him.

7 means a 2nd line forward and 6 means a 3rd line forward. When he was drafted he was seen as a tweener for that area if his offensive side grew as projected. Sadly it hasn't yet so I see him as a bottom 6 player in the future unless he takes some good strides in controlling the puck and his offensive skills.

The thing with me is I don't see Biggs becoming a 3rd or 4th line player a failure if he becomes a good hard checking defensive specialist. The Leafs took a chance on him to become a 2nd line power forward which are kind of rare these days. Didn't work out but I don't condemn them for taking that chance. I've always said there's a huge difference between good bottom 6 players and great bottom 6 players. Hoping Biggs becomes a great bottom 6 player who shuts down the other team while playing his wrecking ball game.

 

[Super Mega]

his confidence when playing an offensive game is rock bottom it seems.

I remember watching him a ton in his season with the Generals and its like that player doesn't exist anymore. I realize junior offense often doesn't translate but I dont think thats the case with Biggs, he just looks nervous when handling the puck offensively. He needs time to bounce back from his injury and I hope he is put in positions to develop his offensive game in the AHL still

 

[zeke]

I think its clear by now that there's no 3rd line upside left here. He has no hands.

that being said, he's a decent skater, can legitimately fight, and seems to be good on the PK, so he might be a good nhl 4th liner at some point, if he works his butt off.

 

[Leaf Lander]

Perhaps his father knew Brian Burke


That the only reason for his selection as high as it was

 

[Joey Hoser]

Perhaps his father knew Brian Burke


That the only reason for his selection as high as it was

He was ranked as a first rounder so that doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The only way Biggs will play in the NHL is if he develops a mean streak and starts playing with an intent to physically dominate. Right now I don't see it.

 

[hockeygeek]

I think its clear by now that there's no 3rd line upside left here. He has no hands.

that being said, he's a decent skater, can legitimately fight, and seems to be good on the PK, so he might be a good nhl 4th liner at some point, if he works his butt off.

A year ago people would be throwing Lucic comparisons at you but reality is starting to set in. He tied Andrew MacWilliams point totals last year. If he doesn't make it as a fourth line checker then he doesn't make it.

 

[4evaBlue]

The only way Biggs will play in the NHL is if he develops a mean streak and starts playing with an intent to physically dominate. Right now I don't see it.

IDK about that. Having watched him live over the weekend, he was definitely one of the people constantly banging people (him and Loov) and got into a tussle standing up for uhm... I want to say Loov after he destroyed one of the turd prospects on an open ice hit. He was utilized a lot on the PK, too, and not that it means all that much in a rookie tourney, especially since he's one of the oldest prospects around, but he did spot the C.

Should Komarov go down, I could see Biggs getting the nod. It's not like Komarov will be lighting it up.

 

[Faltorvo]

IDK about that. Having watched him live over the weekend, he was definitely one of the people constantly banging people (him and Loov) and got into a tussle standing up for uhm... I want to say Loov after he destroyed one of the turd prospects on an open ice hit. He was utilized a lot on the PK, too, and not that it means all that much in a rookie tourney, especially since he's one of the oldest prospects around, but he did spot the C.

Should Komarov go down, I could see Biggs getting the nod. It's not like Komarov will be lighting it up.

Yes but he was drafted some time ago now, relatively speaking.

We have kids from that same draft class with over 100 nhl games under their belts.

Just to give it some context.

 

[ULF_55]

his confidence when playing an offensive game is rock bottom it seems.

I remember watching him a ton in his season with the Generals and its like that player doesn't exist anymore. I realize junior offense often doesn't translate but I dont think thats the case with Biggs, he just looks nervous when handling the puck offensively. He needs time to bounce back from his injury and I hope he is put in positions to develop his offensive game in the AHL still

Perhaps Jenner was carrying him and his confidence?

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

Perhaps his father knew Brian Burke


That the only reason for his selection as high as it was

I truly feel bad for Tyler Biggs. Ultimately, it's not his fault where he was drafted where he was. It's not his fault he's not as good as scouts thought he was going to be.

That being said, the guy was a first round pick and has looked mediocre at the best of times. He's a non-factor in the majority of his games, and from what I witnessed at the rookie tournament, he is heading towards bustville on a one way ticket unless he turns his game around. It's one thing to be big and strong, it's an entirely different thing to use that and still be an effective hockey player at the NHL level.

 

[Banic]

Well you should then have a chat with HF board, they have him down as a 6.5C.

Which is fine and dandy, during OUR player list he was ranked even lower than that (other hf listed players below 6.5C)

 

[Jacquestrapless]

I don't get the hate for this guy. Ultimately, we have to make do for this selection and hope for the best. I'm rooting for him. Hopefully, he picks up a mean streak or sth cuz he has the size for it. I'd at least give him the same amount of time we left Kadri down there to see if he can improve.

Edit: My bad. Wilson was 2012

 

[Prominence]

I don't get the hate for this guy. Ultimately, we have to make do for this selection and hope for the best. I'm rooting for him. Hopefully, he picks up a mean streak or sth cuz he has the size for it. I'd at least give him the same amount of time we left Kadri down there to see if he can improve.

TBH if we were going for a PWF, I was hoping Tom Wilson would drop to us.

Tom Wilson is 2012 draft. I think Biggs should have stayed in College and do a full four year term. NCAA has produced some decent 2-way players and its patient for developing players.

 

[The_Chosen_One]

He's only 21! I wouldn't be writing off Biggs yet. To expect a prospect to
to break out at 18 is not reasonable at all.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Tyler Biggs= Mike Brown

The guy can skate and drop the mitts but not much else

That being said every team now requires "energy" players because top end talent just isn't self motivated the way they used to be. Biggs is best suited to that role and could be a valuable fourth line player. The problem right now is that the leafs already have Bodie and Komarov in that role with Booth not far behind.

Most energy guys can be had in free agency so his trade value is minimal. Might as well let him develop.

He's a remnant of Brian Burke and his overvaluation of "toughness" relative to hockey skills and intelligence. Toughness is a required element to win but mental toughness is considerably more valuable than fighting skills.

Phaneuf is the perfect example of a player who can fight but seems to crumble under pressure with regularity.

 

[Johny Drama]

Still think Biggs will develop into a 3rd line banger who can give you a defensive minded presence. A chris neill type of player. Hasn't shown enough offence to be anything more. Problem is, his skillset could have been found later on in the draft so not best use of a first rounder.

 

[hotpaws]

I don't get the hate for this guy. Ultimately, we have to make do for this selection and hope for the best. I'm rooting for him. Hopefully, he picks up a mean streak or sth cuz he has the size for it. I'd at least give him the same amount of time we left Kadri down there to see if he can improve.

Edit: My bad. Wilson was 2012

just because some people think he's a bust doesn't mean they hate the guy

 

[highslot]

if he ends up like a hybrid of chris neil and chad kilger, i'd be ok with that.

i'd have no problem letting him develop in the ahl 2 more years to work on his offense, but if he's with the leafs because he can keep up, hit, bring energy and win the boards i'd be ok with that too. as a big man, his strength probably will have to be driving to the net or sitting in front of it, and really learning how to cycle and protect the puck.

 

[zeke]

he didn't even deserve to be in the ahl last year. his draft status was the only reason he was there.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

It's all perception. Just because you think Biggs is a bust doesn't make it in any way true. Fortunately for us, fan ideas of what is and what is not a bust doesn't affect the development of a player for the organization.

Brendon Gaunce, Radek Faksa and a few others taken in the top 20 in the recent 5 drafts all didn't progress offensively right away and are far from being busts. Fans need to learn that not everything they want happens right away. There's this thing called patience that sometimes is pretty necessary to a player developing properly.

Last year was Biggs first pro season. If he were a Detroit prospect, no one would care that he had a meh season (like Martin Frk for example), because he'd still be 2 seasons away from getting into the NHL. Some players just need time to develop. Little piece of context that probably has hurt Biggs; He hasn't played two seasons since years before being drafted. He's gone from the US national U17 team to the U18 team, to the USNTDP, to the NCAA, to the Generals, and finally to the Marlies in 5 seasons. This will be the first time that he's been on a team with the same systems and teammates for forever. That's probably a really good thing. Also he's only 21, he's barely had time to really develop.

And Gauthier WAS LITERALLY DRAFTED JUST A YEAR AGO. He won't have even gone pro after this season. Calling him a bust if he stagnates offensively is purely idiotic.

Development simply takes time. Players making it in a year are not the norm. They take time and most non top 10 prospects take a little longer than all you impatient fans seem to realize. Settle down and learn some damn patience.

Man if the Leafs had drafted Logan Couture back in the day, all of you would have had a s*** fit in his two post draft seasons. His best offensive season in the OHL was his 2nd OHL season, the season he had prior to being drafted. He was barely a PPG the year after, and in his 4th season he was only a 1.40 PPG player. now he's universally adored. Proving that development sometimes (often) isn't the linear, cookie cutter standard you are pushing it as.

I remember pointing this out to all the Kadri bashers about 1 year in. If you are looking for patience and reason, head to another board.