Ok can you please either not come and post here or imput something construtive.
Do you see anything on this board concerning, home vs. away stats or anything of that nature?
This is about the legitimacy of stats AS A WHOLE.
Take off bud, you obviously don't understand the premise as a whole.
Look at the OP and contribute constructively for **** off.
Just a question to the OP...did you consider the cross ice pass Kessel made that got picked off and turned into the Rangers 2nd short handed goal a turnover? It doesn't seem like a turnover based on your criteria, but it seemed like a pretty blatant one to me.
The problem is that one guy counts way more giveaways than the other 29 guys averaged out. By a magnitude of approximately 2.5 times.
Giveaways or Hits would be a fine stat to use IF THE SAME STANDARD WAS APPLIED ACROSS ALL ARENAS. It's not, and that's why people have a tough time giving them much credence.
The OP is the only person that I have encountered on these boards who can't seem to grasp this.
Both I and the league deemed that a turnover.
Based on a couple of factors.
1. The zone of play. When Kessel made that pass, he had players covering him from a distance.
2. Timing. He had several non instantaneous options to distribute the puck as well as carry the puck out from the boards and make a play on net. He chose a cross-ice pass.
That play is pertinent to the factors I have laid out.
Quite clearly in fact.
The stats guy at the ACC seems bonkers.
Gives the Leafs leads in everything but shots.
Turnovers for the Sharks game
Mine:
Phaneuf 2
Raymond 2
Ranger 2
Lupul 3
Holland 1
Kulemin 0
Rielly 2
Gardiner 1
Clarkson 1
Kessel 0
Orr 1
NHL:
Phaneuf 2
Raymond 1
Ranger 2
Lupul 1
Holland 1
Kulemin 1
Rielly 2
Gardiner 0
Clarkson 1
Kessel 1
Orr 1
Discrepencies that arose from my criteria.
Lupul had a dreadful game. Forcing the play, bad passes, not a good game in general. Clear giveaway in his own end trying to make a breakout that was intercepted while the rest of his line is near the red line.
Gardiner not counted on a giveaway in his own end.
I had the exact same as you did.....Did you look at the NHL Shark's stats....they had them leading in giveaways. Like I said previously the home team usually leads in these stats all the time...
So these stats are proving that kadri is not a turnover machine as many said he is?
Great work guys so far! Keep it up!
I know someone who does this, different person for each team at each game. So one person does the TO stats that night and a second person does the visiting stats that night. Each person must track a lot of stats besides TK, ie GV, shots, hits, off the top of my head.