Trouba trade looks better everyday for the jets

[Romang67]

It's usage.

Look at how much more ice time Josh Morrissey gets against first line players compared to Pionk, who see's about average ice time for a defenseman against top line forwards.

Pionk isn't outplaying Trouba. Pionk has racked up more assists because he gets PP1 time, Trouba does not. Pionk has better underlying numbers because he gets a lot easier usage compared to Trouba (and the aforementioned Morrissey).

Trouba and Morrissey are consistently deployed against first line players, Pionk is not. Both Trouba and Morrissey's underlying numbers have declined because they went from having better partners (themselves) to much worse ones (Brady Skjei is horrific, not sure about Tucker Poolman don't watch him enough).

Why Quality of Competition doesn’t matter to analytics experts anymore

The impact of QoC is, at best, unclear. And Pionk's D partner is definitely worse than both Skjei and Poolman, though none of them is good.

 

[Do or Die]

Trouba has been great for the Rangers and is what we were missing for a long time. Not a #1D, a bit awkward with the puck and sometimes questionable decision making, but he is a very good #2D. For a long time we were missing a cannon of a shot on the blue line and while Trouba often misses the net, sometimes he’ll come up with a big goal for us and his shot creates chances. He’s our best defender as well as our most physical, and steps up defensively when he needs to. Trade is a win-win, but I do think Pionk will regress.

Very good description of Trouba. Meanwhile, Pionk has totally exceeded expectations (which were pretty low), here. Pionk moves the puck well, and makes good decisions in all zones - has been our best D-man, a lot of nights.

 

[DRW204]

any competent RD can really do Pionk's role on the Jets PP, it's mostly secondary assists since it goes to Wheeler and then either Laine/Scheif/Connor. Same thing happened with Trouba last season when he got on the Jets' PP1

 

[Whileee]

I like Trouba and I think he's a very solid defensive D, who adds offense through an aggressive attitude and a big shot. He'll be a big, minute-munching top-pairing D for the next several years.

I think the issue with the assessment of the trade "then and now" is that Pionk was highly underrated by many at the time of the trade, including me. He has anchored a 2nd pairing with questionable partners (Sbisa now), and done very well. If you have watched the Jets play much, you'll know that Pionk basically carries Sbisa. He's also been very consistent, and has done a nice job in moving the puck and generating offense.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Trouba has been great for the Rangers. Doesn’t get PP time and gets all the tough assignments, still on pace for about 40 points. He’s a physical defenseman too which is something we’ve been missing for a long time. A bit overpaid but he’s vital for this team. Pionk is completely redundant with our RHD and he was pretty bad for us, glad he’s doing well for Winnipeg, he always had offensive ability. A sweet gig for him, plays on a sweet PP and had pretty much zero competition for that spot

 

[antiqueslivers]

whole thing seems to boil down to a win-win. Great job both teams!

 

[Jet]

I like Trouba and I think he's a very solid defensive D, who adds offense through an aggressive attitude and a big shot. He'll be a big, minute-munching top-pairing D for the next several years.

I think the issue with the assessment of the trade "then and now" is that Pionk was highly underrated by many at the time of the trade, including me. He has anchored a 2nd pairing with questionable partners (Sbisa now), and done very well. If you have watched the Jets play much, you'll know that Pionk basically carries Sbisa. He's also been very consistent, and has done a nice job in moving the puck and generating offense.

Where the Jets win is in $ savings and Heinola.

 

[JT Kreider]

Where the Jets win is in $ savings and Heinola.

Ok, that's the case with every big name player that is traded for futures. That's a given.

 

[jetsforever]

Where the Jets win is in $ savings and Heinola.

Also the fact that Trouba would have never signed an extension in Winnipeg

 

[Duke749]

Ok, that's the case with every big name player that is traded for futures. That's a given.

I can assure you based off of history of following this team that is certainly not the case.

 

[Uncle Dru]

Key for the Rangers was getting a physical/high-volume shooting Dman. Like others have said, Pionk was redundant and they were not letting ADA go.

Trouba has been able to handle the high DZ/QOC deployment that Pionk could not here.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

he's on an even crappy defensive team. that's why

yeah im starting to think the 19-20 rangers are just cursed defensively and theres not much the players can do lol

 

[VoluntaryDom]

$8m isn't 1D salary.

how? afaik the only dmen making more than that are Karlsson Doughty Subban and OEL...

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Ok, that's the case with every big name player that is traded for futures. That's a given.

This is true, but Pionk is not futures in this case. He's being used as Trouba's replacement.

 

[Tawnos]

how? afaik the only dmen making more than that are Karlsson Doughty Subban and OEL...

I've already addressed that.

 

[JT Kreider]

This is true, but Pionk is not futures in this case. He's being used as Trouba's replacement.

Was a generous way to put it as "lesser quantity pieces"

 

[Whileee]

Trouba has been great for the Rangers. Doesn’t get PP time and gets all the tough assignments, still on pace for about 40 points. He’s a physical defenseman too which is something we’ve been missing for a long time. A bit overpaid but he’s vital for this team. Pionk is completely redundant with our RHD and he was pretty bad for us, glad he’s doing well for Winnipeg, he always had offensive ability. A sweet gig for him, plays on a sweet PP and had pretty much zero competition for that spot

Trouba gets only about 30 seconds less PP ice-time per game than Pionk does (2:09 vs. 2:41 per game).

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Back to the trade. Pionk is outplaying Trouba, for 5 mm less, and we also have a budding star in Heinola, so it's looking like a huge win for the Jets.

He has better advanced stats. Don't confuse that with outplaying him.

 

[Thordic]

Trouba gets only about 30 seconds less PP ice-time per game than Pionk does (2:09 vs. 2:41 per game).

PP1 time will generate more points than PP2 team on most teams though. Trouba isn't getting much time with Panarin, etc. PP1 is scoring the bulk of the Rangers pp points.

 

[RoyalDuder]

Trouba has been alright for us. He's BRUTAL in this Devil's game tonight though. Woof

 

[holy]

You know, I wasn’t gonna say anything but when I saw him the other night I was like “who is that good looking fella?” Now I know.