Pre-Game Talk: Training Camp/Exhibition game talk Part II(camp 7/13, exhibition games 7/28-7/30)

[Colorado Avalanche]

Sammy G!

Overrated, overpaid and too small. Trade him!

 

[DanishAvsfan]

I think Jones falling had more to do with him being a d-man and the others being forwards honestly. I remember there was talk about forwards being easier to project. Anyway I think that Mack and Jones are the two best players from that draft with Barkov slightly below them. I prefer Mack now that he is on the Avs however.

 

[Foppa2118]

I think Jones falling had more to do with him being a d-man and the others being forwards honestly. I remember there was talk about forwards being easier to project. Anyway I think that Mack and Jones are the two best players from that draft with Barkov slightly below them. I prefer Mack now that he is on the Avs however.

Yeah, I think that was the main reason. The Avs weren't the only team to believe in taking the forward over the defenseman at the top of the draft back then.

The only head scratcher was Tampa taking Drouin over Jones, but that could easily just be chalked up to a poor decision, or a scout/team falling in love with a player. Happens every year multiple times.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah, I think that was the main reason. The Avs weren't the only team to believe in taking the forward over the defenseman at the top of the draft back then.

The only head scratcher was Tampa taking Drouin over Jones, but that could easily just be chalked up to a poor decision, or a scout/team falling in love with a player. Happens every year multiple times.

I was really scratching my head on that one. Especially since they needed an upgrade on defense.

I think they thought he'd plug and play into MSL's role.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah, I think that was the main reason. The Avs weren't the only team to believe in taking the forward over the defenseman at the top of the draft back then.

The only head scratcher was Tampa taking Drouin over Jones, but that could easily just be chalked up to a poor decision, or a scout/team falling in love with a player. Happens every year multiple times.

I mean at the time I could understand taking Drouin. I mean he was coming off 105 points in 49 games in junior and very much looked like a potential franchise type winger. Obviously in hindsight he was a poor pick but I get it at the time.

 

[Pokecheque]

Certainly can't rule out the possibility that Yzerman and his brain trust became way too focused on one player, that does seem to be a tendency of his. The Bolts also took Slater Koekkoek with the tenth overall pick in the previous year's draft, a draft that will definitely go down in the annals of NHL history as one of the worst.

Regardless, you know he regrets that decision now, especially after Drouin turned into a giant headache for Tampa.

 

[Foppa2118]

I mean at the time I could understand taking Drouin. I mean he was coming off 105 points in 49 games in junior and very much looked like a potential franchise type winger. Obviously in hindsight he was a poor pick but I get it at the time.

Yeah it wasn't that egregious at the time. A tad controversial, but it wasn't looked at as a bad pick.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah it wasn't that egregious at the time. A tad controversial, but it wasn't looked at as a bad pick.

I remember Nashville saying they never thought hed make it to them. There was at least some noise. I was pissed for Tampa as a bandwagon fan lol.

 

[Balthazar]

nevermind

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah it wasn't that egregious at the time. A tad controversial, but it wasn't looked at as a bad pick.

Yeah hindsight imagine if TB took Jones. Jesus Christ.

 

[Foppa2118]

Yeah hindsight imagine if TB took Jones. Jesus Christ.

A Hedman-Jones top pair? Just give them the Cup already.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah hindsight imagine if TB took Jones. Jesus Christ.

And you could make a case they'd have the exact same team minus one guy.

 

[MaKarter]

He is definitely more one way than two way these days

We will see more in the playoffs. I believe that Nate still believes he is a two-way Center.

 

[Foppa Frossa]

Mikko is on insta with a NZ hat too, probably some kind of inside joke going on there.

 

[Balthazar]

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm on board with this use of crowd noise.

I've really only watched the Avs game so far, but I can't say I'm a fan of the fake crowd noise and horn. Especially when it's delayed by a couple seconds. Just seems cheesy.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Got bored so I put together MacKinnon and Rantanen’s point totals from the last three seasons against some of the contending teams in the West.

MacKinnon Blues:
15 points: 12 games

Mackinnon Edmonton:
7 points: 7 games

MacKinnon Vegas:
8 points: 5 games

MacKinnon Dallas:
14 points: 13 games


Rantanen Blues:
12 points: 12 games

Rantanen Edmonton:
14 points: 10 games

Rantanen Vegas:
2 points: 3 games

Rantanen Dallas:
8 points: 11 games

 

[Foppa2118]

Got bored so I put together MacKinnon and Rantanen’s point totals from the last three seasons against some of the contending teams in the West.

MacKinnon Blues:
15 points: 12 games

Mackinnon Edmonton:
7 points: 7 games

MacKinnon Vegas:
8 points: 5 games

MacKinnon Dallas:
14 points: 13 games


Rantanen Blues:
12 points: 12 games

Rantanen Edmonton:
14 points: 10 games

Rantanen Vegas:
2 points: 3 games

Rantanen Dallas:
8 points: 11 games

Out of curiosity, how many of those points against the Blues came in the last two years after ROR was traded there?

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Out of curiosity, how many of those points against the Blues came in the last two years after ROR was traded there?

MacK had a bad year against them in 18-19 (0 points in 2 games), but crushed them this year with 8 points in 4 games.

Rants had 2 points in 3 games in 18-19 against the Blues, then was PPG against them this year.

 

[Metallo]

I'm on board with this use of crowd noise.

I've really only watched the Avs game so far, but I can't say I'm a fan of the fake crowd noise and horn. Especially when it's delayed by a couple seconds. Just seems cheesy.

I also noticed PxP guys being very late on goal calls which throws me off big time.

 

[Foppa2118]

MacK had a bad year against them in 18-19, but crushed them this year with 8 points in 4 games.

Rants had 2 points in 3 games in 18-19 against the Blues, then was PPG against them this year.

Interesting. I think MacKinnon likes playing against his buddies.

His best pts/game percentage is agaisnt Tampa with 20 points in 14 games. I haven't noticed as much energy in his game against them since Drouin left though.

He doesn't have great stats against Pittsburgh though. I think Sid gets in his head a little too much.

Possibly related to Crosby, he does well against the Caps though with 17 points in 13 games.

Other teams he's not as good against are LA, Philly, Florida, and Boston.

Nathan MacKinnon Career Splits | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[The Kingslayer]

Interesting. I think MacKinnon likes playing against his buddies.

His best pts/game percentage is agaisnt Tampa with 20 points in 14 games. I haven't noticed as much energy in his game against them since Drouin left though.

He doesn't have great stats against Pittsburgh though. I think Sid gets in his head a little too much.

Possibly related to Crosby, he does well against the Caps though with 17 points in 13 games.

Other teams he's not as good against are LA, Philly, Florida, and Boston.

Nathan MacKinnon Career Splits | Hockey-Reference.com

Time for Mackinnon to make more friends so he can dominate them all.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I also noticed PxP guys being very late on goal calls which throws me off big time.

to be fair, it is a bit hard to tell without the crowd and goal light. It seems a bit hard for me to catch myself at times.

Overall, I don’t even really notice the fake crowd noise too much, it seems alright to me.

 

[Avs91]

I highly expect the ‘production value’ to be much better in these elimination/round robin games. More amplified crowd noise in key moments, better timing on the horns, etc.

Didn’t I read somewhere that teams will get their own horns and goal songs? This should be for the ‘home’ team only IMO

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

This is something the Avs should definitely look into trying on their power play. Particularly with MacKinnon and maybe Makar as well.

Look how McDavid goes outside the zone to pick up speed before getting the shot off.