Trading of Thomas Vanek

[57special]

I think you want to scratch STL off the list of possible destinations for Vanek, with Yeo now being the coach. He's not a big fan of Vanek 's game. Vanek was very healthy in his time with the Wild.

 

[DustinPenner]

I think you want to scratch STL off the list of possible destinations for Vanek, with Yeo now being the coach. He's not a big fan of Vanek 's game. Vanek was very healthy in his time with the Wild.

not rly... he played through injuries

 

[InGusWeTrust]

Dallas could sell, with Patrick Sharp.
Winnipeg could sell, with Drew Stafford
Buffalo could sell, backend with Kulikov.

One might add Eaves to that list too. He is killing it and he can be placed anywhere in the line up and do well. Always like Eaves.

I absolutely think that a 1st isn't a reach for Vanek, add in that this draft isn't very deep. Vanek isn't a player that will need to be kept via Expansion Draft so I doubt it should change anything in value. Other players yes the expansion draft will change things a bit - which I think adds some value to a guy like Vanek.

 

[Bench]

I absolutely think that a 1st isn't a reach for Vanek [...]

I still do. Lackluster performance the last time he was a rental combined with the fact he's presently nursing another injury right now.

Last year Hudler got a pair of 2nds and that's right around where you're going to find a realistic buyer on Vanek. I also think of the market is soft on Vanek, you're going to see Holland start ruminating on simply offering him an extension and keeping him on the roster being more valuable than a lottery ticket from the draft.

 

[Ricelund]

I still do. Lackluster performance the last time he was a rental combined with the fact he's presently nursing another injury right now.

Last year Hudler got a pair of 2nds and that's right around where you're going to find a realistic buyer on Vanek. I also think of the market is soft on Vanek, you're going to see Holland start ruminating on simply offering him an extension and keeping him on the roster being more valuable than a lottery ticket from the draft.

Yeah, I can see them holding onto him unfortunately.

Keep in mind that they have to sell season tickets for the new arena. Waving the white flag and conducting a firesale right now probably isn't the best sales tactic.

 

[njx9]

Keep in mind that they have to sell season tickets for the new arena. Waving the white flag and conducting a firesale right now probably isn't the best sales tactic.

Eh, they have an entire off-season to "reinvigorate" fans. I don't think trading Vanek and Jurco (or whatever other small pieces Holland might move) will really factor heavily into a season ticket purchase for most of the people buying.

 

[jkutswings]

Yeah, I can see them holding onto him unfortunately.

Keep in mind that they have to sell season tickets for the new arena. Waving the white flag and conducting a firesale right now probably isn't the best sales tactic.

This is Detroit. Whether Vanek gets traded, or stays and scores 50 goals, they're putting Zetterberg, Kronwall, and Abdelkader on all the promotional gear. Maybe they'll throw in Mantha or AA to be "edgy", but otherwise marketing is all about the lifers.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

This is Detroit. Whether Vanek gets traded, or stays and scores 50 goals, they're putting Zetterberg, Kronwall, and Abdelkader on all the promotional gear. Maybe they'll throw in Mantha or AA to be "edgy", but otherwise marketing is all about the lifers.

Nah. Whoever the Wings draft in June will have his face plastered all over the city and be included in every commercial/promo they shoot.

Come to Little Caesars and watch "insert top five pick" create a bunch of new memories at Little Caesars Arena.

Larkin and Martha will get plenty of mentions too. Assuming of course management no longer thinks Mantha is still a spare part.

Marketing is going to target the casual fans because their money is just as good as a diehard fans, but they need less convincing to spend their money.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Nah. Whoever the Wings draft in June will have his face plastered all over the city and be included in every commercial/promo they shoot.

Come to Little Caesars and watch "insert top five pick" create a bunch of new memories at Little Caesars Arena.

Larkin and Martha will get plenty of mentions too. Assuming of course management no longer thinks Mantha is still a spare part.

Marketing is going to target the casual fans because their money is just as good as a diehard fans, but they need less convincing to spend their money.

Z, Larkin, Abby.

That's who the focus of it will be.

After them, Mantha. Kronner has fallen off a bit too much. He doesn't even have the Kronwalling cache anymore.

 

[SoupNazi]

Z, Larkin, Abby.

That's who the focus of it will be.

After them, Mantha. Kronner has fallen off a bit too much. He doesn't even have the Kronwalling cache anymore.

Agree that it will mostly be Z, Larkin, and Abby, but I think WW87 is right that Mantha and our pick (assuming it's a Top-5) will also be marketed heavily next year.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

I would love to get a 1st for him and then re-sign him next season.

That'd be a neat trick.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

One might add Eaves to that list too. He is killing it and he can be placed anywhere in the line up and do well. Always like Eaves.

I absolutely think that a 1st isn't a reach for Vanek, add in that this draft isn't very deep. Vanek isn't a player that will need to be kept via Expansion Draft so I doubt it should change anything in value. Other players yes the expansion draft will change things a bit - which I think adds some value to a guy like Vanek.

I've always loved Eaves and was a happy camper when he played with Detroit for those years.

Glad for him that he's doing so well even if it's not in Detroit.

 

[Bench]

Has any player on a 1 year contract (not the good ol' boys with franchise loyalty like Weight and Tkachuk) been traded at the deadline then went back to that team in summer?

It's a neat idea, but if Vanek is going to shop the market again, particularly if he has any success after the deadline.

 

[Heaton]

Has any player on a 1 year contract (not the good ol' boys with franchise loyalty like Weight and Tkachuk) been traded at the deadline then went back to that team in summer?

It's a neat idea, but if Vanek is going to shop the market again, particularly if he has any success after the deadline.

Vermette maybe?

 

[Bench]

Vermette maybe?

I had to look it up, but Vermette had 4 seasons with the Coyotes before the trade and return.

Maybe Vanek feels super loyal already, loves the team, and wants to return. I don't know.

 

[Retire91]

I don't really like the idea of Vanek coming back. I would think he would want some term if he signs again. He is not going to sign up to another year of prove it trade bait.

 

[Birko19]

Which teams would you say are potential targets? I'm guessing that both Montreal and Minnesota won't bite, not sure about Chicago or Pittsburgh either, perhaps one of Washington, Anaheim, or San Jose? Or possibly teams like Columbus and Edmonton who want to make a strong impression in the playoffs being that they're new and all.

 

[Bench]

Which teams would you say are potential targets? I'm guessing that both Montreal and Minnesota won't bite, not sure about Chicago or Pittsburgh either, perhaps one of Washington, Anaheim, or San Jose? Or possibly teams like Columbus and Edmonton who want to make a strong impression in the playoffs being that they're new and all.

Hard to say. I think you're on the right track.

Chicago, San Jose, and Nashville are my best guesses. If Chicago was sniffing around Tatar and Nyquist earlier, maybe they circle back and take Vanek for a much cheaper price.

 

[Winger98]

Edmonton. My bet they would sniff around Green, too.

Contracts like Green's would be perfect for Edmonton, btw. Good player, fits a need for another year, and then comes off the book when McDavid comes up for his next deal.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Hard to say. I think you're on the right track.

Chicago, San Jose, and Nashville are my best guesses. If Chicago was sniffing around Tatar and Nyquist earlier, maybe they circle back and take Vanek for a much cheaper price.

Yeah those would be the three I would guess.

I still kind of doubt we are getting a first round pick though.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Has any player on a 1 year contract (not the good ol' boys with franchise loyalty like Weight and Tkachuk) been traded at the deadline then went back to that team in summer?

It's a neat idea, but if Vanek is going to shop the market again, particularly if he has any success after the deadline.

On July 28, 2014, Winnik signed as a free agent to a one-year contract with his hometown team, the Toronto Maple Leafs, worth $1.3 million.[13] In the 2014–15 season, Winnik proved a versatile asset for the Maple Leafs with his penalty killing abilities and scoring touch, notching 25 points in 58 appearances, and having spent time on all four lines. On February 25, 2015, with the Maple Leafs out of playoff contention, he was traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for Zach Sill, a 2015 fourth round pick and a 2016 second round pick.[14] In 21 games with the Penguins, Winnik collected 2 goals and 9 points but was unable to help the Penguins to a deep playoff run.

On July 1, 2015, Winnik, by this time a fan favourite in Toronto, returned to the Maple Leafs, signing as a free agent on a two-year deal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Winnik

 

[Reddwit]

Yeah, I can see them holding onto him unfortunately.

Keep in mind that they have to sell season tickets for the new arena. Waving the white flag and conducting a firesale right now probably isn't the best sales tactic.

I keep reading this and people forget - this is one of those rare times where our UFA in question actually has good value around the league. Do people really think Detroit made enough of an impression on Vanek to make him want to skip out on fielding free agency offers? I can't imagine that locker room is very fun right now, considering 90% of it has never experienced missing the playoffs before. And I see no reason why Vanek would think spending his last few years of good hockey on a dying team is a good plan.

The situation is even less likely when you remember Vanek doesn't qualify for the Hometown Deal nor the Loyalty Benefits Program.

 

[njx9]

Resigning Vanek in the off-season for 4 years of likely heavily declining play would be even stupider than signing Helm was last offseason. Trade the guy and be done with it. I wish him the best, but he offers absolutely nothing of value to *this* team after this season.

 

[InGusWeTrust]

He is also an extremely cheap veteran who is reliable as any on the PP that the teams would not have to use up an expansion slot for. Any contender looking for a little depth would be silly not to try and move for Vanek.

There aren't very many UFA's that people are going to be able to move for IMO because of the expansion draft. Vanek, Eaves, Hanzal, Parenteau, Hudler, Vrbata as far as UFA forwards I think have the biggest chance at being moved. Mainly because the cap isn't very big and theyre pretty useful still, some more than others. I certainly think Vanek, Eaves, Hanzal are the better of the bunch.

 

[HIFE]

Resigning Vanek in the off-season for 4 years of likely heavily declining play would be even stupider than signing Helm was last offseason. Trade the guy and be done with it. I wish him the best, but he offers absolutely nothing of value to *this* team after this season.

I cannot believe reading several fans who would "really like" Vanek resigned. Blows my mind how different I view the game. I think he's weak and useless for the most part. I personally get almost 0 enjoyment watching Vanek drag his body around the rink.

To give credit to TV I'd agree with evaluations here and the trade board he's a PP specialist. He's a heady player with a large bag of tricks and the ability to score/find open men.

The problem is the above is only true IF HE'S STANDING STILL. Unfortunately hockey is played with movement, not cemented just 10' in front of the net. Vanek is so far from being a complete player. He's slower than Zetterberg (if that's possible) and does little throughout the other 90' of ice. We've seen him benched for multiple shifts recently for how lifeless his game can be. For every completed pass I've seen 5 giveaways this season from Vanek. Not to mention his lost battles and turnovers, the guy is soft as butter.

Among the top 100 point leaders (Vanek is 81st) he must be the most one dimensional on that list. Leading the Wings should be viewed as condemnation of how pathetically unskilled our forward are, not reason to sign another extremely middling, soft, weak, injury prone, declining, over-aged veteran. We have enough already! The idea is frankly disturbing in my eyes...that fans want to watch him play hockey again for us and possibly 4 more seasons? Gross!

Just like Richards, Modano, Alfredsson, Salei, Cole, Zidlicky, Legwand, Weiss, Samuelsson... damn why does Holland value these has-been's on literally their last legs? Players who retire the season after leaving the Wings. Detroit is more than a country club, we're a hospice facility.

Please take Vanek away for a draft pick. DO NOT WANT!