I say yes, but for a gigantic haul. The poll isn't working for me.
I don't know of any specific deal off the top of my head, but if I was Poile, i'd listen to offers.
Here's my reasons:
1. I don't buy the Captain as a Predator for life. I don't buy the "he wanted to be here or Philly, he just wanted his money" line that we've sold ourselves. I think it's only a matter of time before he wants out. Especially if we're not contending. Why wait until you have to trade the guy and you lose some of your leverage?
2. This is the only way I see us being able to add the high end offensive talent to be a cup contender. This team, as presently constructed (and taking into account the farm), is a midding 7th-8th seed type team, at very best. We're not going to win a cup with this roster, and we're never going to be bad enough to land the difference makers needed to win one. There's no talent on the farm we can sell off for a Drouin/MacK type offensive dynamo.
3. I'm banking heavily on Seth Jones. In a year or two, I think he'll be ready to be the #1 D-man here. A top 4 of Jones, Josi, MDZ (hopefully he reaches his potential), and a vet UFA should be pretty darn good. And the offensive pieces we get should more than make up for this - we should no longer have to win games 2-1.
Maybe, it'd have to be a major offer though.
If Colorado offered Johnson + Duchene/Landeskog/Mackinnon
Or Edmonton offered
One of Hall/Rnh, one of Eberle/Yakupov and a defenseman.
That offer sheet makes me wonder too, not because he signed it, but because it was specifically structured in a way to make it more difficult for the Preds to match. Why do that if it's just a case of wanting more money?
You guys have to know if Weber ASKS to be traded he's not just going to be OK with going to any team. Him and his agent will make known the hockey world which teams he wants to play for. Yes, we could still trade him to Florida in theory, but if Florida knows he doesn't want to play there, they aren't going to give up massive assets to acquire Weber.
Poile has GOT to get a pulse on Weber's intentions. If he feels Weber isn't going to be content here, we've got to move him before he asks for a trade, before our options are limited.
Poile has failed in getting a pulse of our star players thus far. If he screws up Weber (again) I will personally go kick Poile in the nuts.
IF Weber is lukewarm on Nashville, we should trade him. Weber for McKinnon (+).
What do you guys think about
Eberle, Petry, Nurse, 2014 first (top 5 pick) for Weber and Wilson?
I could care less where Weber wants to go... that's why if he is lukewarm on Nashville we need to trade him before he asks for a trade and tells the world what teams he wants to play for.I've made this argument with many people before. A star player has tremendous leverage, NTC or not. A perfect example would be Jeff Carter going to Columbus. I think most teams would avoid such a mess by checking with the player before completing the trade, and Carter did quickly did his ticket out of Columbus afterwards. If Weber were to be traded, I think the Flyers would be the best trading partner. Obviously Weber wouldn't mind going there, and Philly has the kind of players that Trotz and Poile like, such as Schenn, Courtier, Simmonds, etc.
I could care less where Weber wants to go... that's why if he is lukewarm on Nashville we need to trade him before he asks for a trade and tells the world what teams he wants to play for.
While guys like Schenn and Coutiere are good, I'd want more offensive upside.
I'm not a big fan of Eberle. He'd certainly be better than anything we have, but you don't build your offense around him. But the other EDM pieces are pretty good. I don't see them giving up their top pick easily. It's going to be #1 or #2, and I'm sure they hoping to get Ekbad.
Weber for McKinnon+. Colorado is ready to contend now and they get the best Dman in the league for 10 years. We get a guy to build our offense around-- the kind of offensive talent we've never had.
You wouldn't get Hall or RNH. I doubt you'd get the best player off any team (unless that team was just bad everywhere), or the only promising center on a team that has no center depth.
I wouldn't trade Weber unless he asked to be moved, and I can't help but wonder if that's happened --- maybe you guys can shed some light on this for me. I wonder because some broadcasters like Friedman on HNIC (by no means a hack) has talked about the Preds trading Weber. That offer sheet makes me wonder too, not because he signed it, but because it was specifically structured in a way to make it more difficult for the Preds to match. Why do that if it's just a case of wanting more money?
Agreed. You build from the back out, and up the middle. A top young winger would be nice, but a legit #1 center is a must. I venture to say there may only be 2-3 wingers in the league that I would really consider exchanging Weber for (assuming the rest of the package isn't ridiculous). Unfortunately, teams aren't likely to move a young #1 center any more than teams usually move Norris-caliber defensemen. We could shoot for a package including a very high draft pick, but that's placing a lot of hope that the kid pans out, and sets us back pretty badly in the short term.IF Weber is traded, the team has to get back a #1 dynamic center. It's one of the hardest pieces for us to get. Yes I know those guys do not grow on trees, but neither do guys like Weber. Let's not sell him short, Weber is a superstar.
What do you guys think about
Eberle, Petry, Nurse, 2014 first (top 5 pick) for Weber and Wilson?
i'm iffy on this.
i think i'd have to have eberle, perron, petry, nurse and the 1st and i'll throw weber and wilson.
we still don't get our #1C in that deal though.
if we go the Philly route we'd have to get both Schenn's, Couts or Simmonds, Raffl and a 1st.
I' m not just giving away an all-world d-man that we've already thrown 50 some mill to.
It's appealing primarily because of the 1st. But I don't see Edmonton giving that up when they have a very good chance at Ekbad, who's 10 yrs younger than Weber almost a sure-fire stud. But I suppose it's possible if they really think Weber can turn their fortunes around NOW.The proposal from the Oil included there first which would yield Reinhart or Bennett theres the center your looking for. Eberle is a pretty decent top 6 guy Nurse a couple steps behind Jones but still top 4 guy in a couple years Petry pushes MDZ out of top 4 all this makes Ellis and Ekholm tradable as well or keep Ellis and move MDZ. They could be packaged with our 1st rounder for a pretty good top 6 guy as well. And finally move of salary from our redundant 3rd and 4th liners to make a bid for Moulson or Vanek. So if the Oil want Weber and Wilson this would be a great option to restock this team with forwards a slight drop on the blueline for a year but overall a much better looking team on paper.
The only way you do the trade with Edmonton as mentioned is if it's at the draft and we're assured Ekbad or McDavid in next years draft. Other than that, there's no point to it. The other option like some have mentioned is MacKinnon+. I'd prefer Duchesne to be honest but either would do. I don't know that I'd want to play Weber though year in and year out for the next 10 years but if had a top flight center to go along with the young blue line we've got, I could handle it and I think it sets both teams up very well for the future.
I get that Colorado has talent up front to spare, but I have no idea why we would even consider handing them the one thing they are lacking on a platter. We make a trade with the Avs and our division rivals not only still have a stronger offense, but also a Norris-caliber defenseman to helm their D for the next ten years? No thanks. As bad as things look now with the way Chicago and St. Louis are constructed, we'd be virtually assured of being a non-playoff team for the next 5 years if we arm the Avs like that.
Far as I can see, the only thing we have as an advantage going forward is the strength of our D. Even trading out of that strength, we are not going to build a team that is offensively equal to Chicago, St. Louis, or Colorado, and we would lose any parity or advantage we would have on the back end. I don't think there's any easy way to reassert our way back into competitiveness at this point. We either hope to draft well or get lucky in the free agent market and rely on what will be a very potent D in a couple of years, or we tear the whole thing down and accept being an also-ran for 3-5 years. I'm not terribly optimistic either way, the division is shaping up to be just too strong at the moment.AT this point the team is a non playoff team, And will continue to be for a number of years if nothing is done. DO I like the idea of getting rid of Weber? No I do think that hes the one player that will bring the return to turn this team around. There is no coach in the league that could produce a playoff team with this roster. Any way you look at it is going to be a couple years minimum until the ship is turned around. We have just realized the bottom. The burning question is what path is taken to re-build. How quickly owenership wants to become competitive. AT the current pace the team will ek out a .500 season. And many suggest that only minor tweeking could put them back to last seed category and perhaps that's true. It will not however take the team to the next level and the same weakness will be there. Relying on goaltending and great blueline to scrape out those 2-1 wins.