Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread- Start of a New Season

[montreal]

I know some are really going to hate this, and it has no chance of happening but for fun I thought I would throw this out there. Philly is trying to trade Lecavalier who has 3 seasons @ 4.5M in cap space. If Eller doesn't work out on the wing and has to go back to center and Tinordi doesn't show enough to stick,

Habs-

Lecavalier - 4.5M 3 years
Philly 1st round pick ('16 or '17 whatever Habs think is better)
Hagg/Sanheim (whatever Habs like better)

Flyers-

Desharnais 3.5M 2 years
Tinordi- 850,500 K
Reway/Lehkonen/Nygren (whichever one they want)

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[Lafleurs Guy]

I would pass on Vinny even with DD going the other way. Too much money for too long.

 

[The Great Weal]

Desharnais,Tinordi for a second round pick.

 

[DAChampion]

Back in 2007 a lot of cynical fans preducted that Lecavalier would come here when he was 40.

 

[Disappearing Semin]

I know some are really going to hate this, and it has no chance of happening but for fun I thought I would throw this out there. Philly is trying to trade Lecavalier who has 3 seasons @ 4.5M in cap space. If Eller doesn't work out on the wing and has to go back to center and Tinordi doesn't show enough to stick,

Habs-

Lecavalier - 4.5M 3 years
Philly 1st round pick ('16 or '17 whatever Habs think is better)
Hagg/Sanheim (whatever Habs like better)

Flyers-

Desharnais 3.5M 2 years
Tinordi- 850,500 K
Reway/Lehkonen/Nygren (whichever one they want)

Damn I would love to get Sanheim

 

[donghabs98]

As much as I would love to get Hagg or Sanheim that Vinny contract isn't worth it. He just isn't the type of player he was and would end up another failed project. That and the media attention wouldn't be worth doing the deal. One question I do have is, if Vinny just retires would this cap still count towards the cap?

 

[Intangiblezz]

I know some are really going to hate this, and it has no chance of happening but for fun I thought I would throw this out there. Philly is trying to trade Lecavalier who has 3 seasons @ 4.5M in cap space. If Eller doesn't work out on the wing and has to go back to center and Tinordi doesn't show enough to stick,

Habs-

Lecavalier - 4.5M 3 years
Philly 1st round pick ('16 or '17 whatever Habs think is better)
Hagg/Sanheim (whatever Habs like better)

Flyers-

Desharnais 3.5M 2 years
Tinordi- 850,500 K
Reway/Lehkonen/Nygren (whichever one they want)

I'd have a really hard time saying no to taking on Lecavalier with 2016 1st + Sanheim while getting rid of DD and only losing Tinordi and a meh prospect.

If he's that bad I don't think Molson would mind buying him out.

 

[hoc123]

Personally I would like this deal, especially if we could get the 2016 1'st and Travis Sanchim. Don't think the Flyers take this deal though. To much value coming our way even with Lecavalier.

 

[montreal]

As much as I would love to get Hagg or Sanheim that Vinny contract isn't worth it. He just isn't the type of player he was and would end up another failed project. That and the media attention wouldn't be worth doing the deal. One question I do have is, if Vinny just retires would this cap still count towards the cap?

well look at it this way, the Habs take on about 150K in salary cap, (4.5M - 3.5 + 850K). Then if the NHL expands over the summer you expose Vinny to the Nords, if no expansion and he's terrible you can buy him out.

So we could be looking at something like, Vinny + Kieffer Bellows/Julien Gauthier/Max Jones type of prospect + a Hagg or Sanheim. We give up production from DD but if Pleks, Galchenyuk and Eller are our top 3 centers, Vinny could slot on the 4th line with Mitchell while improving our D prospects and getting a possible high end draft pick next June. Tinordi might develop out of the spotlight into a decent bottom pairing PK specialist type and say we throw in a B level prospect to round things out.

Granted not sure the flyers would pay that much to rid themselves of that bad contract but I thought maybe we could work something out that would help both sides.

 

[hoc123]

well look at it this way, the Habs take on about 150K in salary cap, (4.5M - 3.5 + 850K). Then if the NHL expands over the summer you expose Vinny to the Nords, if no expansion and he's terrible you can buy him out.

So we could be looking at something like, Vinny + Kieffer Bellows/Julien Gauthier/Max Jones type of prospect + a Hagg or Sanheim. We give up production from DD but if Pleks, Galchenyuk and Eller are our top 3 centers, Vinny could slot on the 4th line with Mitchell while improving our D prospects and getting a possible high end draft pick next June. Tinordi might develop out of the spotlight into a decent bottom pairing PK specialist type and say we throw in a B level prospect to round things out.

Granted not sure the flyers would pay that much to rid themselves of that bad contract but I thought maybe we could work something out that would help both sides.

Are you going to put this out on trade thread? Want to know how Flyers feel about this deal.

 

[Disappearing Semin]

Are you going to put this out on trade thread? Want to know how Flyers feel about this deal.

They will laugh their ass off if we are asking for Sanheim , i guarantee it

 

[hoc123]

They will laugh their ass off if we are asking for Sanheim , i guarantee it

Was thinking the same thing. Any other worthwhile prospects they have that wouldn't cause an uproar?

 

[NewHabsEra*]

I know some are really going to hate this, and it has no chance of happening but for fun I thought I would throw this out there. Philly is trying to trade Lecavalier who has 3 seasons @ 4.5M in cap space. If Eller doesn't work out on the wing and has to go back to center and Tinordi doesn't show enough to stick,

Habs-

Lecavalier - 4.5M 3 years
Philly 1st round pick ('16 or '17 whatever Habs think is better)
Hagg/Sanheim (whatever Habs like better)

Flyers-

Desharnais 3.5M 2 years
Tinordi- 850,500 K
Reway/Lehkonen/Nygren (whichever one they want)

It doesnt make sense at all from a Flyers POV lol.. There is no way they trade a mid first + Sanheim for our crap..

 

[montreal]

It doesnt make sense at all from a Flyers POV lol.. There is no way they trade a mid first + Sanheim for our crap..

they want to rid themselves of his 17.5M contract, they are bad spot for the cap and it's looking more and more that the cap will go down next year. Tinordi is a 1st round pick that might do better in a less pressured environment and we are adding a decent prospect in Reway, Lehkonen or Nygren.

But again, I said it was just for fun, all I know is that the flyers are trying to dump the big contract and that is going to cost them as Vinny's game has gone to hell.

 

[Disappearing Semin]

they want to rid themselves of his 17.5M contract, they are bad spot for the cap and it's looking more and more that the cap will go down next year. Tinordi is a 1st round pick that might do better in a less pressured environment and we are adding a decent prospect in Reway, Lehkonen or Nygren.

But again, I said it was just for fun, all I know is that the flyers are trying to dump the big contract and that is going to cost them as Vinny's game has gone to hell.

Maybe they would consider it with Hagg, but Sanheim is off the table... no doubt

 

[montreal]

They will laugh their ass off if we are asking for Sanheim , i guarantee it

make it Hagg then, they have a number of D prospects and if they got say Tinordi and Nygren to replace Hagg. We need some LD prospects with skill that don't need to clear waivers.

 

[NewHabsEra*]

they want to rid themselves of his 17.5M contract, they are bad spot for the cap and it's looking more and more that the cap will go down next year. Tinordi is a 1st round pick that might do better in a less pressured environment and we are adding a decent prospect in Reway, Lehkonen or Nygren.

But again, I said it was just for fun, all I know is that the flyers are trying to dump the big contract and that is going to cost them as Vinny's game has gone to hell.

i understand your point but I doubt they will be willing to sacrifice a mid first round pick + a young promising defenseman for a former first round pick whose the progression is stagnant after 3 years spent in the minors + a marginal center in Desharnais + a 'B' level prospect just to get rid of a bad contract..

 

[Sterling Archer]

Brayden Schenn $2.5M X 1 year
Luke Schenn $3.6M X 1 year



DD $3.5M X 2 years
Gilbert $2.8M X 1 year or Tinner $850k
Pick or prospect not named MacCarron, Scherbak or Juulson or some retained salary

Why this works. Both Schenn's are on the outs in Philly. Brayden is skating on their 5th line with 2 AHLers and Luke is not going to be resigned and is a constant reminder of the JVR trade. DD Gilbert give Philly two players that fill voids they have right now in a servicable, puck moving defensman and a playmaking 50 point centre. Luke has virtually no value and carrries the biggest price tag. The trade is essentially Gilbert and a pick for Brayden and DD and Luke are a wash.

Habs lineup:

Patches Plex Gally
Eller Chucky Semin
Fleisch Schenn Weise
DLR Mitchell Kassian

Markov PK
Emelin Petry
Beau Pateryn
Tinner Schenn

 

[hoc123]

Brayden Schenn $2.5M X 1 year
Luke Schenn $3.6M X 1 year



DD $3.5M X 2 years
Gilbert $2.8M X 1 year or Tinner $850k
Pick or prospect not named MacCarron, Scherbak or Juulson or some retained salary

Why this works. Both Schenn's are on the outs in Philly. Brayden is skating on their 5th line with 2 AHLers and Luke is not going to be resigned and is a constant reminder of the JVR trade. DD Gilbert give Philly two players that fill voids they have right now in a servicable, puck moving defensman and a playmaking 50 point centre. Luke has virtually no value and carrries the biggest price tag. The trade is essentially Gilbert and a pick for Brayden and DD and Luke are a wash.

Habs lineup:

Patches Plex Gally
Eller Chucky Semin
Fleisch Schenn Weise
DLR Mitchell Kassian

Markov PK
Emelin Petry
Beau Pateryn
Tinner Schenn

Horrible value for the Flyers. They wouldn't do that even if we added Scherbak (instead of the other prospect)

 

[hototogisu]

Brayden Schenn $2.5M X 1 year
Luke Schenn $3.6M X 1 year



DD $3.5M X 2 years
Gilbert $2.8M X 1 year or Tinner $850k
Pick or prospect not named MacCarron, Scherbak or Juulson or some retained salary

Why this works. Both Schenn's are on the outs in Philly. Brayden is skating on their 5th line with 2 AHLers and Luke is not going to be resigned and is a constant reminder of the JVR trade. DD Gilbert give Philly two players that fill voids they have right now in a servicable, puck moving defensman and a playmaking 50 point centre. Luke has virtually no value and carrries the biggest price tag. The trade is essentially Gilbert and a pick for Brayden and DD and Luke are a wash.

Habs lineup:

Patches Plex Gally
Eller Chucky Semin
Fleisch Schenn Weise
DLR Mitchell Kassian

Markov PK
Emelin Petry
Beau Pateryn
Tinner Schenn

I appreciate you justifying the trade from the other side (which most people here don't even consider) but I don't think I agree. They can still get better value for the Schenns (well moreso Brayden). Don't see any motivation for Philly to do it, they might as well just hang on to the Schenns and hope for the best.

 

[montreal]

i understand your point but I doubt they will be willing to sacrifice a mid first round pick + a young promising defenseman for a former first round pick whose the progression is stagnant after 3 years spent in the minors + a marginal center in Desharnais + a 'B' level prospect just to get rid of a bad contract..

yea that's the hard part as it's impossible to know what a GM would be willing to give up in order to rid themselves of a bad contract. But they have to do something, right now they look to have about 8K in cap space going into the season depending on how the roster shakes out. They have over 61M on the books for next season, so clearly they are in trouble if the cap goes down and so far we are just about 3 months into the new season fort he cap and it's not looking good there.

So I would think that getting rid of a really bad contract is going to be costly as teams know they are in a tough spot. They have a bunch of young D's like Provorov, Sanheim, Gostisbehere, Hagg, Morin, Alt. So I thought they could afford to deal from a position of strength there while still replacing with older D prospects. I think Nygren is very underrated and still think very highly of him just not sure it will be with the Habs. I also think Tinordi could be a decent bottom pairing guy and it's not like the flyers are going to make the playoffs so they could bring him along slowly, if it doesn't work out they have several other D prospects coming up.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Horrible value for the Flyers. They wouldn't do that even if we added Scherbak (instead of the other prospect)

Considering they'd be offloading $3.6 in a useless Luke and a centr they have playing on their 5th line and in return they're getting 2 NHLer's and either a good prospect or cash I think it'snot as terrible a value as you're making it out to be.

I appreciate you justifying the trade from the other side (which most people here don't even consider) but I don't think I agree. They can still get better value for the Schenns (well moreso Brayden). Don't see any motivation for Philly to do it, they might as well just hang on to the Schenns and hope for the best.

I give this a 99.9% chance of not happening like all the other trade proposals. Wanted o highlight more how we can shore up the centre position while not costing us the farm. You know, the type of trades bargin bin Bergevin likes to make!

 

[TT1]

easy yes to OP's deal, just to get Sanheim. i would even do it without the 1st rounder.

 

[Habsawce]

No interest in the Schenn brothers. Not that impressed.

 

[montreal]

easy yes to OP's deal, just to get Sanheim. i would even do it without the 1st rounder.

I actually figured the much tougher sell would be the 1st rounder. That's what I really wanted especially now since it's still early, if philly struggled we could end up with a great draft pick. I have only seen Sanheim at the WJC summer camp and I thought he really struggled and wasn't very impressive but I know he had a big season. I would consider other changes, as long as it came with us getting a 1st from philly. I really think they will have a hard time unloading such a terrible contract, but who knows if Vinny would even agree to play here since he has a NMC.

No interest in the Schenn brothers. Not that impressed.

agreed, I have zero interest in getting the Schenn's