Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Off-season Editon

[Habs Icing]

Bjugstad played most of the year on the Panthers 2nd line as a RW, he is a natural C though.

Desharnais played first line center. Does that mean he was a first line center? Bjugstad is not a second line right winger on a contender anyway and the Panthers obviously don't think he's a center or he would be playing there. He'll be 26 in July. There aren't any surprises with Bjugstad. What he has shown you up to now is what you're going to get.

 

[417]

Desharnais played first line center. Does that mean he was a first line center? Bjugstad is not a second line right winger on a contender anyway and the Panthers obviously don't think he's a center or he would be playing there. He'll be 26 in July. There aren't any surprises with Bjugstad. What he has shown you up to now is what you're going to get.

I didn't infer what his ultimate ceiling is..

Although I do think there's some untapped potential there.

 

[Habs]

TSN radio Vancouver said at least two teams have called Don Waddell about Noah Hanifin. Canucks and the Canadiens are speculative top teams in the running. They said the Canucks 7th overall pick is on the table. The Canes are rumoured to have asked for Montreal’s 3rd overall pick and Charles Hudon or Nikita Scherbak in the deal.

That is awful if true. We can draft a Hanafin type of player, and keep the kids.

 

[Habs Icing]

I didn't infer what his ultimate ceiling is..

Although I do think there's some untapped potential there.

Then why bring up the fact that he played 2nd line RW? He is not a 2nd line player.

 

[417]

Then why bring up the fact that he played 2nd line RW? He is not a 2nd line player.

Because you said he played 3rd line wing...

 

[Sterling Archer]

Hanafin next to Weber has top D tandem in the NHL potential and Hanafin can become the top D in years to come after Weber. With the amount of RD in the system, he'd be a huge add for years to come.

 

[The Great Weal]

3rd+Scherbak for Hanifin would be awful.

 

[Lebowski]

That is awful if true. We can draft a Hanafin type of player, and keep the kids.

Not sure I'd move the 3rd overall straight up for him, adding one of the kids is definitely a deal breaker for me unless Bergevin is trying to work a Lindholm into it.

 

[The Great Weal]

Who says you can't have multiple good defensemen? Certainly hasn't hurt Nashville...

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Aho would bring a lot in return. Why isn't he available?

It's not complicated. Canes don't have any depth at C (which Aho may move to) and completely lack, skilled, scoring forwards (which Aho excelled at last year). That's completely different than LHD where there's Jaccob Slavin who is at the top of the heap and where they have depth.

It's akin to why Seth Jones was traded. They didn't trade Jones because they didn't think he was any good (in fact, his early numbers are similar to Hanifins). They traded him because they were deep at D and wanted to improve their forward depth.

Unless there are contract issues we don't know about, if the Canes trade Hanifin (and I hope they don't), in all likelihood, it will be for the reasons I mentioned above.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

When it says it's "rumored" that's what the Canes asked, who was the rumor from? Is it a legit source or just people speculating randomly?

If the rumor is true, it probably means the Canes really have little interest in trading Hanifin so it's a "if you want him, you really need to make it worth it" type deals.

 

[le_sean]

That’s a good and reasonable price for Hanifin. I’d rather give Hudon than Scherbak though. I mean he’s 21, already proven in the NHL and LD, which is the biggest need and not available at the top of this draft. Scored 10 goals last season. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

 

[Laurentide]

They don't have a boat load of dmen that are worth the 3rd OA pick or more. Why trade a stud top paring d. Because with the 3rd overall pick, you're either getting for a top pairing dman, a top line forward or an elite goalie or it's an awful draft year or your scouts don't know what they're doing.

I'm going to go with the last possibility.

 

[theghost1]

On the surface, it sounds like over payment but I'd make that deal for the most part.

Hanafin is 21, NHL ready who can step in right away to play with Weber. No one you draft at 3 will be able to do that and then you have the uncertainty they even turn out as many top 10 D haven't in the past. Adding Hudon or Scerbak is the sticking point as I think the 3rd is enough to get it done. Now Carolina can have Svechnikov AND Zadina and I think they'd be happy with that to let Hudon be the sticking point.

Than trade Patches for a top 10 pick + and draft your center prospect. Two needs filled and we have an insane amount of cap money to blow on FA to fill other gaps and we added a ton of young organizational talent and made our D substantially better without losing any roster assets. No brainer IMO.

No way you trade 3rd overall for Hanifin,Montreal needs goals Zadina gives them that you can move Galchenyuk to Wild for Brodin or Calgary for Brodie or Anaheim for Larsson to get a d-man without giving up the 3rd overall.

 

[Laurentide]

That’s a good and reasonable price for Hanifin. I’d rather give Hudon than Scherbak though. I mean he’s 21, already proven in the NHL and LD, which is the biggest need and not available at the top of this draft. Scored 10 goals last season. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Hudon I think we could live without but Sherbak would be a hard no for me. He has way more offensive potential than Hudon. But Hudon being from the "chosen people" is probably more valuable to this hyper-sensitive ownership group than Sherbak. At #3 we could get Zadina, who may or may not turn out to be anything, or one of the top tier defensemen, who may, if we're lucky, become as good as Hanafin is now.

Still, I'd like to hang on to that pick somehow. I wish we could just trade Pacioretty for Hanafin instead.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

No team has knowingly traded outside of the top 3 since 2002. There's good reason for that and I highly doubt the Habs would be the 1st to do it since then. If (and it's just an if), the Canes are asking for what is being rumored, then it's a sign they really aren't that interested in trading Hanifin.

 

[Habaneros]

3rd+Scherbak for Hanifin would be awful.

Rumor in this case = HUMOR

 

[Habaneros]

here..let's start a REAL GOOD RUMOUR

3rd+Scherbak and Carey Price for Hanifin and 2nd overall

 

[Laurentide]

If we trade the 3rd pick away and Carolina turns around and takes Zadina instead of Svetchnikov with the 2nd overall, we will all deserve to have a melt-down.

 

[Sterling Archer]

No way you trade 3rd overall for Hanifin,Montreal needs goals Zadina gives them that you can move Galchenyuk to Wild for Brodin or Calgary for Brodie or Anaheim for Larsson to get a d-man without giving up the 3rd overall.

Goals come in transition which we have NONE of right now. Having a PMD like Hanafiin who can quickly transition to the forwards who had their best years in that system will by default add goals.

Think of it as maximizing and making the of the substantial winger offensive depth we have to make sure they're in the best position to be able to do what they do best. As a result, we'll spend less time in our zone and allow less goals at the same time.

The offence comes as a result of the better defence.

 

[Sterling Archer]

If we trade the 3rd pick away and Carolina turns around and takes Zadina instead of Svetchnikov with the 2nd overall, we will all deserve to have a melt-down.

That's why these trades are made on the draft floor at the time of the selection

 

[Laurentide]

Goals come in transition which we have NONE of right now. Having a PMD like Hanafiin who can quickly transition to the forwards who had their best years in that system will by default add goals.

Think of it as maximizing and making the of the substantial winger offensive depth we have to make sure they're in the best position to be able to do what they do best. As a result, we'll spend less time in our zone and allow less goals at the same time.

The offence comes as a result of the better defence.

Are you saying that defense wins championships?

 

[sheed36]

I believe Hanifin is RFA so any idea how much he's looking for on a new contract?

 

[Ozmodiar]

Hanifin for 3rd O.A. doesn't make sense.

It's the Catch-22 of trade proposals.

If Hanifin isn't meeting expectations as a 5th OA pick, and on the block, there's no way the Habs would give up a higher pick with full potential of being a player to build around. OTOH, the only way the Habs make that deal is if Hanifin is a player to build around, in which case, he wouldn't be on the market.

If some of the lustre is off the former #5 pick, and he is available, then I'd expect a lower pick to be the price ... like Edmonton's 10th. ... perhaps something the Canes would consider with Kotka still on the board?

 

[MaxDummy]

No way you trade 3rd overall for Hanifin,Montreal needs goals Zadina gives them that you can move Galchenyuk to Wild for Brodin or Calgary for Brodie or Anaheim for Larsson to get a d-man without giving up the 3rd overall.

Zadina Will score many goals with Benn and Alzner on the back end feeding him Perfect passes

Also Anaheim, Larsson??? Like Jacob Larsson? For Galchenyuk ? Are you High?