HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition
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Before we get 8,000+ PLD proposals, hopefully we look into acquiring a potential goalie of the future. Even if we draft one, it’ll be years until they are ready.
this thread / topic was created 30 minutes ago and is still at his first edition ?????
where are you Habs fans , bipolars and haters ?
where are you Habs fans , bipolars and haters ?
NobleSix
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Knew they wouldn't do anything. Not much they could even do. It was a buyers market anyway. Better to just wait for the summer/next season when we can get more for guys like Edmundson and Anderson, and with more cap from waste of spaces like Drouin.
Edmundson wasn’t UFA. Next year we will trade him.
Allen has terms
UFA
Monahan injured
Drouin. No value.
Belzile
Tierney
Dadonov was traded
Thats it. Nothing was really expected or plausible.
Unicorns do not exist
Allen has terms
UFA
Monahan injured
Drouin. No value.
Belzile
Tierney
Dadonov was traded
Thats it. Nothing was really expected or plausible.
Unicorns do not exist
ReHabs
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I feel like they’re confident next year will be better and these trade bait players will be trade-worthy next year — or even worth more.
But what gives you that idea? We have so little talent that we need to shed our current cap commitments so we can acquire some talented ones that better fit. It’s a tall ask, I don’t think they should bet on that.
But what gives you that idea? We have so little talent that we need to shed our current cap commitments so we can acquire some talented ones that better fit. It’s a tall ask, I don’t think they should bet on that.
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In before @sampollock posts that now’s a good time to discuss PLD. 
Don't worry, we'll have at least another 3000 posts about PLD from now until the draft.In before @sampollock posts that now’s a good time to discuss PLD.
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CanadienShark
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So while everyone is thinking about PLD, I'm personally thinking about the contract slots situation for the Habs. They currently have 47 slots, on July 1st this fall to 32 unless players are signed/traded before that. Also, there are more prospects who's rights expires in 2024 than this year (8 of them, 2 will be slide capable).
So who is released, signed (NHL or AHL) and traded to be under 50 contracts next season.
The team has 5 players with rights that expires in 2023 (based on CapFriendly):
- 2 on June 1st (Dichow*, Vbertic), *has another season to his SHL contract
- 1 before July 1st (newly acquired Sund),
- 2 from the NCAA on August 15th (Struble and Gorniak)
We know the Habs want to sign at least Farrell once his season is over despite his rights not expiring this year too. They might want to sign Dobes too.
They also have lots of RFAs/UFAs across the NHL/AHL:
- RFA AHL: Condotta, Teasdale, Richard, Stephens, Beaudin, Leskinen, Allard
- RFA NHL: Caufield, Ylonen, RHP, Pezzetta, Gurianov
- UFA AHL: Bowey, Schueneman
- UFA NHL: Drouin, Belzile, Tierney, Monahan, Bryon
Prospects with contracts next season:
- Mesar*, Beck* *sliding another year unless in the NHL, aka doesn't count on total
- Kidney, Roy, Mailloux
- Heineman (has another season to his SHL contract)
- Mysak, Simoneau, Norlinder, Trudeau, Fairbrother
- Primeau
= 10 contracts
Roster players:
- Suzuki, Anderson, Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia, Dach, Pitlick, Salfkovsky, Gallagher, Evans,
- Wideman, Xhekaj, Matheson, Edmundson, Barron, Guhle, Harris, Kovacevic
- Allen, Monty
= 20 contracts
--------- My take -----------
Released:
NHL: Drouin, Tierney, Monahan, Bryon
Rights: Gorniak
AHL: Bowey
Traded:
AHL: Stephens
NHL: Edmundson, Hoffman
Prospects: Norlinder and/or Fairbrother (both are LDs)
Signed:
ELC: Farrell, Dichow, Struble, Vbertic (he's not good, but Habs need NHL capable depth in Laval)
NHL/two-ways: Sund, Teasdale, Richard, Beaudin, Allard, Caufield, Ylonen, RHP, Pezzetta, Gurianov, Schueneman, Belzile, Condotta
27 + 17 = 44 contracts.
So who is released, signed (NHL or AHL) and traded to be under 50 contracts next season.
The team has 5 players with rights that expires in 2023 (based on CapFriendly):
- 2 on June 1st (Dichow*, Vbertic), *has another season to his SHL contract
- 1 before July 1st (newly acquired Sund),
- 2 from the NCAA on August 15th (Struble and Gorniak)
We know the Habs want to sign at least Farrell once his season is over despite his rights not expiring this year too. They might want to sign Dobes too.
They also have lots of RFAs/UFAs across the NHL/AHL:
- RFA AHL: Condotta, Teasdale, Richard, Stephens, Beaudin, Leskinen, Allard
- RFA NHL: Caufield, Ylonen, RHP, Pezzetta, Gurianov
- UFA AHL: Bowey, Schueneman
- UFA NHL: Drouin, Belzile, Tierney, Monahan, Bryon
Prospects with contracts next season:
- Mesar*, Beck* *sliding another year unless in the NHL, aka doesn't count on total
- Kidney, Roy, Mailloux
- Heineman (has another season to his SHL contract)
- Mysak, Simoneau, Norlinder, Trudeau, Fairbrother
- Primeau
= 10 contracts
Roster players:
- Suzuki, Anderson, Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia, Dach, Pitlick, Salfkovsky, Gallagher, Evans,
- Wideman, Xhekaj, Matheson, Edmundson, Barron, Guhle, Harris, Kovacevic
- Allen, Monty
= 20 contracts
--------- My take -----------
Released:
NHL: Drouin, Tierney, Monahan, Bryon
Rights: Gorniak
AHL: Bowey
Traded:
AHL: Stephens
NHL: Edmundson, Hoffman
Prospects: Norlinder and/or Fairbrother (both are LDs)
Signed:
ELC: Farrell, Dichow, Struble, Vbertic (he's not good, but Habs need NHL capable depth in Laval)
NHL/two-ways: Sund, Teasdale, Richard, Beaudin, Allard, Caufield, Ylonen, RHP, Pezzetta, Gurianov, Schueneman, Belzile, Condotta
27 + 17 = 44 contracts.
VirginiaMtlExpat
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Agreed. Better no deal than trades at an egregious discount. Look at the Hawks. They committed to selling Kane, only to find that his NTC meant that the Rangers had them bent over a barrel. Did it make sense then to commit to selling at all costs, in order to gain an extra 1% or so to get Bedard, if it resulted in losing their star player for pennies on the dollar? This is an extreme example of course, but other teams sold good players for pennies on the dollar. Chychrun didn't garner much either, compared to predictions, but they were committed to dealing him in the manner they took him out of the lineup.
That said, there are many players with negative value, and HuGo need to get creative this summer and fall, with salary retention, buyouts and waivers.
I like the pattern of getting young players with potential whose stock is undervalued, and letting MSL and Adam Nicholas work their magic. A bit like Arsenal in the Premier League.
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There were just too many seller and our medical/ conditioning staff probably cost us a 1st…
Although injuries derailed the Habs’ TDL, let’s not forget that the Romanov/Dach, Petry//Matheson and Cap space/Monahan deals all occured post-TDL last year and that there’s still hope for some significant movement in the next few months.
This summer (or by TDL 2024 in the case of Edmundson), the Habs are in an even better situation than last year to leverage their deep LHD pipeline to bolster other positions of need. Edmundson, Harris and Struble should be identified as prime candidates for trades in that context.
The Habs will also have better draft capital with 2 top-15 pick, a high 2nd and a flurry of mid-round picks.
And - more importantly - a sizeable, weaponizable, cap space for a the last season of the frozen cap era!
This summer (or by TDL 2024 in the case of Edmundson), the Habs are in an even better situation than last year to leverage their deep LHD pipeline to bolster other positions of need. Edmundson, Harris and Struble should be identified as prime candidates for trades in that context.
The Habs will also have better draft capital with 2 top-15 pick, a high 2nd and a flurry of mid-round picks.
And - more importantly - a sizeable, weaponizable, cap space for a the last season of the frozen cap era!
Kimota
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MarkovsKnee
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I don't think they give Qualifying Offers to Leskinen or Stephens making them UFAs.
Dichow they'll give an ELC too. Vrbetic won't get one. He'll be UFA.
Sund won't be signed. Ditto Gorniak.
I expect all other RFAs to come back, including Gurianov, although I expect him to get less money. He's UFA in 2024. One year, $2m. Montreal trades him at 2024 TD 50% retained. Due to his size & speed, he should garner interest.
All UFAs will walk except for Belzile. Think they'll re-sign Laval's captain unless he wishes to move on.
Tuch, Hutson & Dobes should all be in NCAA next year. There is an off-chance we sign Tuch, but due to injuries I do think he needs another year. Ditto Smilanic.
Jared Davidson will go the Simoneau/RHP path & play in Laval next year on an AHLC.
AHL - 12 F, 7D & 2 G (20 NHL contracts)
Pitlick - AHL
Belzile - AHL
Mesar - AHL
Kidney - AHL
Roy - AHL
Condotta - AHL
Mysak - AHL
Teasdale - AHL
A. Richard - AHL
Simoneau - AHL
Heineman - AHL
Davidson - AHLC
Mailloux - AHL
Beaudin - AHL
Norlinder - AHL
Trudeau - AHL
Fairbrother - AHL
Allard - AHL
Struble - AHL
Primeau - AHL
Dichow - AHL
NHL - 15F, 9D, 3G - 27 contracts
Caufield - Suzuki - Gurianov
Farrell - Dach - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Dvorak - Gallagher
RHP - Evans - Armia
Pezzetta, Hoffman, Ylonen
Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Edmundson - Xhekaj
Harris - Kovacevic
Wideman
Allen
Montembeault
Price: LTIR
That puts us at 47 contracts.
At minimum, we need to buyout Hoffman, trade Edmundson, & maybe Pezzetta too. Wideman will be 8th D for one more year. He won't be re-signed.
Both of them have SHL contract for next season, it's NHL or SHL for them, unless they are kept like 8 weeks on the NHL roster (and not injured during that time). But that doesn't remove their contracts from the total for the team.
Dichow's contractual situation is why I believe the Habs need another goalie on an two-way/EL contract that is waiver exempt in case Primeau is claimed at the start of the season or won't be claimed because he sucks too much. Teams need to have 3 goalies signed to NHL capable contracts per the CBA.
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So now we can FINALLY talk about trading for PLD? Feels like we've all been holding back waiting for the moment we can all discuss it. 
Trading for PLD is useless you will not move up the eastern standings unless you also add a 1st pair D and an all star goalie.So now we can FINALLY talk about trading for PLD? Feels like we've all been holding back waiting for the moment we can all discuss it.
I haven't read a post yet and will go back but let me guess. PLD. 
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MarkovsKnee
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Just a quick question. Did we trade Beck?
I have him going back to Juniors, so his contract slides as he's under the age of 20. It doesn't count towards our 50. He will for 2024-2025.
No roster room for him currently.
My bad I forgot he was still eligible to return. Hopefully he gets traded elsewhere.
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