Proposal: Trade Ottawa/Pittsburgh

[Dipsy Doodle]

Pens get reamed. No thanks.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

This is a bad trade for Pittsburgh, expansion draft looming or not.

Fleury for Anderson + Puempel is probably fair value, but if I'm Ottawa I'm taking advantage of the situation the Pens are in. They absolutely have to get rid of Fleury if they want to keep Murray, I dont see Las Vegas passing an opportunity to claim him. Sure Pittsburgh could try and compensate Las Vegas to keep Murrray, but they'll most likely end up giving up more than a 2nd. That's why I'm fine with giving up a 2nd, it's a fine price to keep Murray in Pittsburgh.

 

[BonkTastic]

This is a bad trade for Pittsburgh, expansion draft looming or not.

The market for goalies with NMCs with an expansion draft looming is at an all time low. Extenuating circumstances affect trade value. Situation sucks, but sometimes you have to play the hand you're dealt.

You are welcome to keep Fleury, though. No one is forcing you to move him, you have him under contract until 2019. If you decide not to trade MAF though, I hope you get something of value for Murray before the expansion draft. I'm sure you can get a nice little package of 2nd rounders and prospects in return, or maybe a 1st rounder in the 22nd-30th overall range from a contender.

 

[BeautiPhil]

He looked pretty bad in the playoffs.

Howcome a 21 year old murray won his job then?

Why do you guys wanna trade him so bad if hes so great?

He played 1 game... if 1 game is enough to write someone off, then Roman Josi is a terrible defenseman, because the Sharks made him and Weber look like beer leaguers in game 7

 

[Empoleon8771]

The market for goalies with NMCs with an expansion draft looming is at an all time low. Extenuating circumstances affect trade value. Situation sucks, but sometimes you have to play the hand you're dealt.

You are welcome to keep Fleury, though. No one is forcing you to move him, you have him under contract until 2019. If you decide not to trade MAF though, I hope you get something of value for Murray before the expansion draft. I'm sure you can get a nice little package of 2nd rounders and prospects in return, or maybe a 1st rounder in the 22nd-30th overall range from a contender.

It's a lot more likely that Murray can return what Schneider did than Murray only returning that in a trade.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

It's a lot more likely that Murray can return what Schneider did than Murray only returning that in a trade.

I don't think Murray would get a top 10 pick, but he's definitely worth more than a late 1st. Maybe a 15th-20th. Then again, by next year he could absolutely establish that value. But right now, I'd put his value closer to Lehner's than Schneiders. Lehner + 3.65mil cap dump returned us 21st overall, btw.

 

[BonkTastic]

It's a lot more likely that Murray can return what Schneider did than Murray only returning that in a trade.

Schneider had a much bigger sample size with better roughly the same numbers. The 3 elite seasons Schneider had in Vancouver offered GMs far more security than questioning whether a kid like Murray is legit or if he just caught lightning in a bottle. After all, Cam Ward looked like the next goalie superstar in 2006.

But by all means, if you think you can get a top-10 pick for Murray, then you should dillignetly pursue that opportunity to it's fullest extent.

 

[Skid]

He played 1 game... if 1 game is enough to write someone off, then Roman Josi is a terrible defenseman, because the Sharks made him and Weber look like beer leaguers in game 7

Ya but they played more than one game in the playoffs.

 

[Dylonus]

Ya but they played more than one game in the playoffs.

Neither had concussions in consecutive months and have to try to get back into game form during a crucial Game 5 of the playoffs; where two goals were literally not his fault at all, either.

 

[Riptide]

The market for goalies with NMCs with an expansion draft looming is at an all time low. Extenuating circumstances affect trade value. Situation sucks, but sometimes you have to play the hand you're dealt.

You are welcome to keep Fleury, though. No one is forcing you to move him, you have him under contract until 2019. If you decide not to trade MAF though, I hope you get something of value for Murray before the expansion draft. I'm sure you can get a nice little package of 2nd rounders and prospects in return, or maybe a 1st rounder in the 22nd-30th overall range from a contender.

PIT would have no issues getting value for Murray if they decided to go that route.

 

[Riptide]

Schneider had a much bigger sample size with better roughly the same numbers. The 3 elite seasons Schneider had in Vancouver offered GMs far more security than questioning whether a kid like Murray is legit or if he just caught lightning in a bottle. After all, Cam Ward looked like the next goalie superstar in 2006.

But by all means, if you think you can get a top-10 pick for Murray, then you should dillignetly pursue that opportunity to it's fullest extent.

Ward also had above league average numbers for 4 years after that. He's gone downhill since, but for a span of 4-5 years, Ward was a very good NHL goalie.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Schneider had a much bigger sample size with better roughly the same numbers. The 3 elite seasons Schneider had in Vancouver offered GMs far more security than questioning whether a kid like Murray is legit or if he just caught lightning in a bottle. After all, Cam Ward looked like the next goalie superstar in 2006.

But by all means, if you think you can get a top-10 pick for Murray, then you should dillignetly pursue that opportunity to it's fullest extent.

But Murray also won a cup, you can't dismiss that. Schneider had more of a track record in the regular season, but Murray already proved he's a stanley cup caliber goalie.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Fleury for Anderson + Puempel is probably fair value, but if I'm Ottawa I'm taking advantage of the situation the Pens are in. They absolutely have to get rid of Fleury if they want to keep Murray, I dont see Las Vegas passing an opportunity to claim him. Sure Pittsburgh could try and compensate Las Vegas to keep Murrray, but they'll most likely end up giving up more than a 2nd. That's why I'm fine with giving up a 2nd, it's a fine price to keep Murray in Pittsburgh.

This, the expansion draft really throws a wrench into many teams plans....I imagine teams will take advantage of the teams in bad spots. Should be interesting at least.

Would have no issues with taking Fleury at the prices discussed...outside of course of the lol worthy inclusion of Hoffman by one poster.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

I would do that. Not sure Pittsburgh does it. Let's see how Murray plays in the reg.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The market for goalies with NMCs with an expansion draft looming is at an all time low. Extenuating circumstances affect trade value. Situation sucks, but sometimes you have to play the hand you're dealt.

You are welcome to keep Fleury, though. No one is forcing you to move him, you have him under contract until 2019. If you decide not to trade MAF though, I hope you get something of value for Murray before the expansion draft. I'm sure you can get a nice little package of 2nd rounders and prospects in return, or maybe a 1st rounder in the 22nd-30th overall range from a contender.

The market for a top 15 goalie on a good contract in a 30 team league is always going to be fine. Moving Fleury isn't going to be a problem. The only issue is which team is willing to give the best offer, and we have ample time to let that scenario play out.

 

[Uchiha]

Sens easily do this deal.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Depending on how long the Senators feel Anderson has left in him as a starter and depending on what other teams have been willing to offer Pittsburgh for Fleury, something around Anderson for Fleury is pretty logical.

Matt O'Connor isn't done yet, but he also struggled in his first year in Ottawa's system. Acquiring Fleury gives Ottawa a long term replacement for Anderson. Obviously as already said, if they think Anderson can be an NHL starter past his current contract, then they don't make this trade.

Pittsburgh gets a veteran goalie with a shorter contract and a cap hit 1.5M lower than Fleury's cap hit. Similar to Fleury, Anderson could shelter Murray if there are growing pains or stumbling blocks along the way to Murray becoming the Penguins long term solution in goal. Anderson also has been a beast in the playoffs with Ottawa during their limited time there.

It is impossible to say if this is a good trade until we know what kind of offers Pittsburgh has had for Fleury and how Ottawa projects Anderson to hold up long term. But, it sort of makes sense.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The market for a top 15 goalie on a good contract in a 30 team league is always going to be fine. Moving Fleury isn't going to be a problem. The only issue is which team is willing to give the best offer, and we have ample time to let that scenario play out.

Don't be so sure about that. Most teams really don't need a netminder right now, so it's not like you're going to be overrun with offers. Plus, goalies traditionally don't fetch much in trades.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Take out the 2nd and I still do it (Sens). Only because of age though.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Don't be so sure about that. Most teams really don't need a netminder right now, so it's not like you're going to be overrun with offers. Plus, goalies traditionally don't fetch much in trades.

I'm positive about that. If the Pens needed to deal Fleury, they could do so tomorrow without issue. But if they can't get the price they want for him now, then there's no point in leaving a bunch of '16-'17 wins on the table just to pick up a worse, older goalie without an NMC.

Only Chicken Littles and those who look to benefit from their impatience will perpetuate the idea that a top 15 goalie on a good contract in a 30 team league has no leverage. As the season progresses and some of the teams who took gambles on non-established starters flounder, you'll see teams willing to pay a higher price for a proven quality #1.