Trade Franzen?

[Th3 HoMeR 96]

Now would be the opportunity to trade the mule. Has 9 points in his 12 games played with a decent contract. How about we trade for a young star defenseman?

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[Tomas W]

DRW will not get a young star defenseman for him, I think. Perhaps a young promising defenseman.

 

[Vladdy84]

Now would be the opportunity to trade the mule. Has 9 points in his 12 games played with a decent contract. How about we trade for a young star defenseman?

Id rather just buy him out. No one wants that contract on the books. Not getting a young star for Franzen anyways.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Even though Franzen is a bargain at his cap hit, I don't think many teams around the league view that as a good contract
I'd say he has very little trade value

 

[ScottyBowman]

Trading him would be a good idea but I doubt anyone will take him with that contract. Buying him out is the next best option. Holland really screwed up with that contract.

 

[Th3 HoMeR 96]

Now would be the opportunity to trade the mule. Has 9 points in his 12 games played with a decent contract. How about we trade for a young star defenseman?

Nice little article... Could be a good idea

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533005-detroit-red-wings-has-the-time-come-for-johan-franzen-to-be-traded

 

[Run the Jewels]

Yes, you absolutely try to get someone to take that contract off your hands. Judging by the way Buffalo rolls they may be willing to acquire Mule. My guess is no one wants that contract so we'll use an amnesty buy out on Franzen.

 

[Laser Rayzor]

INB4 Hossa debate.

On topic, I'd rather keep him. We won't find someone who can replicate his production for that cap hit. If we need to get rid of him because of contract just buy him out.

 

[joe89]

Trading him would be a good idea but I doubt anyone will take him with that contract. Buying him out is the next best option. Holland really screwed up with that contract.

Until Franzen starts blowing, he hasn't screwed up. But I'm sure we'll revisit this in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018.

 

[sarcastro]

By now, you mean when he's on IR with a hip injury?

Hmm...yeah, something tells me his trade value isn't exactly peaking at the moment...

 

[Th3 HoMeR 96]

By now, you mean when he's on IR with a hip injury?

Hmm...yeah, something tells me his trade value isn't exactly peaking at the moment...

Maybe not... But it's a great time to really think about it. Plus it's not a serious injury by any means.

 

[BinCookin]

Until Franzen starts blowing, he hasn't screwed up. But I'm sure we'll revisit this in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018.

Franzen is currently a great player for that cap hit. We should be stronger for the next 3-4 years due to this contract. The last few years if he declines a lot, then his cap hit will be higher than his salary.

I would prefer to keep Franzen.

 

[Brick Top]

Until Franzen starts blowing, he hasn't screwed up. But I'm sure we'll revisit this in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018.

You forgot about 2019. We got nothing but time when it comes to his contract

At least by 2017 (dear God, that seems a LONG way off in the future!), his actual salary is much less than his cap hit, so we can root for a team needing to take on cap hits to reach the floor to want him.

 

[Flowah]

The guy has not strung together any consistent strong performances, either regular season or playoffs, for at least two years now.

If I could get rid of him I would.

 

[last_sd]

We are not getting a young star defense for him.
We would be lucky if someone takes his contract without dumping a contract just as bad.

 

[Heaton]

Even though Franzen is a bargain at his cap hit, I don't think many teams around the league view that as a good contract
I'd say he has very little trade value

Even if had 4 years left on a 3.9m cap hit, no one is trading a young 'star' defensemen for him. No teams are bursting at the seams to unload those types of players for 30+ year old wingers.

I find it interesting that some pundits believe that guys like Alfredsson and Iginla will garner a massive return. I think like Hossa they'll get a decent return but nothing great and Hossa had a lot more value at his time of the deal. Basically, Franzen has more value to the Wings than he does in any trade and theres a ton more players in the same situation.

 

[RedMenace]

Agreed with the people saying he'd be bought out because not many teams would be willing to take that contract, even if it is currently a bargain.

I also agree with the people saying there's no way the Wings could get a young, star defensemen for Franzen -- unless, of course, it's part of a bundle.

So yeah, I have nothing new to add.

 

[oilers2k10]

I propose S.Horcoff and Martin Gernat and a 2nd round pick for J.Franzen..
Horcoffs contract comes off the books at the end of next season, Gernat is a young promising puck moving defenceman...
Franzen brings size and grit to a small, soft and young oilers team in desperate need of size and grit in their top six..

If wings dont like Gernat..one or two of Musil, Fedun, Dillon Simpson or M. Marincin could be traded instead.

Ryan Whitney could be used as a throw in if Wings are interested...Omark could be had for a 5th round pick...he had good Chemistry with Brunnstrom and Zetterberg in Zug.

What ya guys think? Or am I totally biased here?

 

[oilers2k10]

By the way, Im leading my hockeypool and recently traded away Jagr for Franzen..as soon as I made the trade Franzen got injured..I can only make one more trade this season..
How long is Franzen out for? Any timetable on his return?

 

[FlashyG]

He's skating so that's a good sign, but he said he'll miss today's game, and tuesday's vs Nashville for sure.

I expect him to be back on the 23rd vs Columbus or on the 24th vs Vancouver

 

[sarcastro]

I propose S.Horcoff and Martin Gernat and a 2nd round pick for J.Franzen..
Horcoffs contract comes off the books at the end of next season, Gernat is a young promising puck moving defenceman...
Franzen brings size and grit to a small, soft and young oilers team in desperate need of size and grit in their top six..

If wings dont like Gernat..one or two of Musil, Fedun, Dillon Simpson or M. Marincin could be traded instead.

Ryan Whitney could be used as a throw in if Wings are interested...Omark could be had for a 5th round pick...he had good Chemistry with Brunnstrom and Zetterberg in Zug.

What ya guys think? Or am I totally biased here?

There's three things wrong with that deal, IMO.

1. I don't know much about Gernat but from a quick google search, he's a longshot low-pairing defense prospect coming off major shoulder surgery. The prospect involved is less important, though...

2. ...because this proposal also includes Horcoff. Horcoff has a horrific contract, worse than Franzen's (albeit a lot shorter). The Wings can't go with a mid-to-late-30's, injury-prone, 30-point a year, $5.5 mil cap hit 3rd line center for the next two and a half seasons.

3. Most importantly, Horcoff and Cleary have a serious, long-term bromance and having Horcoff on the team increases the chances that they give Cleary another contract once his current one is mercifully over.

http://www.freep.com/article/201302...shawn-horcoff?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

Point 1 is less important. Point 2 is more important. Point 3 is absolutely critical. They have got to get rid of Cleary at all costs. I was actually thinking the other day after reading about the Horcoff/Cleary thing, "hey, maybe we can dump off Cleary on the Oilers if he and Horcs are such good pals".

It's not the worst proposal in the world, but if the Wings are going to take back a terrible contract in a Franzen deal, they're going to need a much better prospect than the guys you mentioned. I like Petry and I'd love to pry Klefbom away but I doubt that's possible. Besides, from the looks of things the Oil are well-stocked at forward and need to sort out their D.

 

[djdan6215]

franzen

yes its time

3 options:
to buffalo :franzen and mursak to detroit :tyler myers and zemgus girgensons

to calgary :franzen and mursak to detroit :jay bouwmeester and greg nemisz

to edmonton franzen and mursak to detroit :ryan whitney and magnus paajarvi

 

[Vladdy84]

to edmonton franzen and mursak to detroit :ryan whitney and shawn horcoff

 

[Chevrier]

Absolutely not. A trade could be something considering the long run if we're going to take that path. It's waaaay too early to know what the future holds for us to consider trading Franzen just yet though. His cap hit is alright for his production, just short of under 4 mil. He has 9 points in 12 games and even though everybody would love to see him become a game in game out consistent force, that's never been realistic. If Franzen was overly consistent and created all his own chances he'd be an asbolute monster. He currently fits into our team, financially and playing wise, hold onto him.

Nobody's going to give fair value for Franzen given the length of his contract but I'm content with it for the time being. No need to jump any gun, he's got size and hands and chances are he's with us for the long haul.

 

[fimoknete]

sometimes i can only shake my head.

why buying out franzen and keep cleary, samuelsson, bertuzzi, quincey, kindl, abdelkader?
this 6 player should be unloaded before we get rid of franzen

franzen:
12 games, 9 points, +4

why, just why should we get rid of stats like that?

cleary:
14 games, 1 point, -4