Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - LII

[Dickie Dunn]

It's hard to know what Eichel will even still be after this nightmare that Buffalo has put him through. I'm not sure I'd want to spend $10m a year to find out.

 

[Webster]

Trade Kaprizov and sign Eichel for 1C, insert Fiala and there's your top line.

 

[thestonedkoala]

fenton halfway did that, and he did it wrong.

How did he do it wrong?

Got rid of Granlund, Coyle, and Neiderreiter. Tried to move Koivu and Parise. Was trying to move Zucker.

 

[GuerinUp]

How did he do it wrong?

Got rid of Granlund, Coyle, and Neiderreiter. Tried to move Koivu and Parise. Was trying to move Zucker.

He shouldve been trading the older vets first and foremost. Also, neiderreiter for rask is probably the worst trade in wild history.

 

[mezcal]

Trade Kaprizov and sign Eichel for 1C, insert Fiala and there's your top line.

I’m assuming this plan includes making Zuc the team captain.

 

[thestonedkoala]

He shouldve been trading the older vets first and foremost. Also, neiderreiter for rask is probably the worst trade in wild history.

Neiderreiter was eating up a lot of cap and was inconsistent. Rask seemed like a middle-6 center, and a position of need for Minnesota.

Honestly, the Johansson + Leddy for Barker trade was worse in terms of production.

As for veterans, WHO?

Fenton tried to trade Koivu and Parise and couldn't.

Staal was still putting up points.

This was the roster in 2018-2019:

Parise, Staal, Granlund, Suter, Spurgeon, Zucker, Eriksson-Ek, Koivu, Coyle, Greenway, Nieddereiter, Dumba, Foligno, Brodin, Kunin, Fehr, Brown, Seeler, Pateryn, Dubnyk

Can't trade: Parise, Koivu, Staal or Suter - so which veterans should he have traded?

Foligno is one our best player right now, Spurgeon, Brodin should have been traded? but again WHICH OLDER VETERANS? Parise, Suter and Koivu would have (and did nix a trade). Staal is probably the only one I can see.

 

[guitarhunterdude]

I’m assuming this plan includes making Zuc the team captain.

ZuGMarello really rolls off the tongue well

 

[GuerinUp]

Neiderreiter was eating up a lot of cap and was inconsistent. Rask seemed like a middle-6 center, and a position of need for Minnesota.

Honestly, the Johansson + Leddy for Barker trade was worse in terms of production.

As for veterans, WHO?

Fenton tried to trade Koivu and Parise and couldn't.

Staal was still putting up points.

This was the roster in 2018-2019:

Parise, Staal, Granlund, Suter, Spurgeon, Zucker, Eriksson-Ek, Koivu, Coyle, Greenway, Nieddereiter, Dumba, Foligno, Brodin, Kunin, Fehr, Brown, Seeler, Pateryn, Dubnyk

Can't trade: Parise, Koivu, Staal or Suter - so which veterans should he have traded?

Foligno is one our best player right now, Spurgeon, Brodin should have been traded? but again WHICH OLDER VETERANS? Parise, Suter and Koivu would have (and did nix a trade). Staal is probably the only one I can see.

i wouldve traded nearly everyone on that roster outside of brodin, dumba and neiderreiter. and i wouldve made life a living hell for the players with nmc that were nixing it until they did allow me to trade them personally. would players hate me? yes. would i care? no. teams been mediocre for 20 years

 

[thestonedkoala]

i wouldve traded nearly everyone on that roster outside of brodin, dumba and neiderreiter. and i wouldve made life a living hell for the players with nmc that were nixing it until they did allow me to trade them personally. would players hate me? yes. would i care? no. teams been mediocre for 20 years

Niederreiter was an inconsistent middle 6 winger that was overpaid by at least a million, million and a half. Dumba can't play defense. You want to build around those three?

 

[57special]

Nino has been a .5 PPG player over the past couple of years in CAR. He's better than Rask, but let's not pretend that he wasn't a disappointment here after he got paid.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Nino has been a .5 PPG player over the past couple of years in CAR. He's better than Rask, but let's not pretend that he wasn't a disappointment here after he got paid.

Carolina is also better offensively than Minnesota...this goes back to Minnesota and their offense and how they built their team.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

"Moving" Kulikov still doesn't get your roster anywhere near realistic.

There are a handful of posters in this thread that have taken the time to actually run the numbers and put in the effort to understand the cap situation for not only now but for multiple years into the future. When you post the nonsense that you do without more than a minutes worth of thought put into it, that's really disrespectful to those guys.

oddly enough i used cap friendly for the next 2 seasons and a calculator to do the cap math which is how i orginally got the .961 over without diving extremely deep into it. as has been mentioned, its possible to make it work just extremely unlikely that a gm and owner would allow it to be done because youre going to be fielding a very very young rookie roster. the original idea was just showing how all 3 didnt need to be traded right away to work him in. obviously moving forward yes all 3 would have to go at some point due to age cap contracts and roster structure.

A team with Eichel, Kaprizov, the buyouts, and 8 or 9 ELCs is overwhelmingly likely not a contender over the next 3-4 years. And then we get the pleasure of getting to make UFA decisions on both of them at 28/29 years old.

this is indeed true, and would lend us the higher draft picks for future that we will need and then with the signings when they do come, that dead cap is overwith and we can actually use the entire cap on a full roster rather than navigating the dead cap. feels ugly right now but it could easily be weeded out and worked out in the next 3-4 years.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

this is indeed true, and would lend us the higher draft picks for future that we will need and then with the signings when they do come, that dead cap is overwith and we can actually use the entire cap on a full roster rather than navigating the dead cap. feels ugly right now but it could easily be weeded out and worked out in the next 3-4 years.

The higher draft picks that would be going to Buffalo in the Eichel deal?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

The higher draft picks that would be going to Buffalo in the Eichel deal?

maybe? that depends completely on what goes the other way, 1 pick for sure would be if he is traded.

 

[GuerinUp]

Niederreiter was an inconsistent middle 6 winger that was overpaid by at least a million, million and a half. Dumba can't play defense. You want to build around those three?

that is not why i wouldve kept him. and Dumba can play defense.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I'm all for trading Greenway for Strome at this point.

 

[DANOZ28]

He shouldve been trading the older vets first and foremost. Also, neiderreiter for rask is probably the worst trade in wild history.

take your pick that trade or cam barker for kim johnsson & leddy to the hawks.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I'm all for trading Greenway for Strome at this point.

would mind seeing if LA would offer up Vilardi for Greenway.

 

[AKL]

would mind seeing if LA would offer up Vilardi for Greenway.

They wouldn't

 

[guitarhunterdude]

would mind seeing if LA would offer up Vilardi for Greenway.

Not a chance. Would be lucky to get Vilardi for Fiala. Nobody trades centers for fair value and they're taking their time with their rebuild.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

They wouldn't

Not a chance. Would be lucky to get Vilardi for Fiala. Nobody trades centers for fair value and they're taking their time with their rebuild.

sadly i agree with you both.

 

[AKL]

I think Greenway for Strome would be the best we could hope for.

Helps round out the roster too. He would be just fine with Gaudreau and Fiala.

Kaprizov-Ek-Zuccarello
Fiala-Strome-Gaudreau
Foligno-Hartman-Duhaime
Rask-Sturm-Bjugstad
Pitlick

Strome may not be a great skater, but his offensive instincts and passing ability would be welcome on that second line.

 

[thestonedkoala]

would mind seeing if LA would offer up Vilardi for Greenway.

Maybe Greenway + pick for Kupari. I think they are souring on him quickly.

 

[AKL]

Maybe Greenway + pick for Kupari. I think they are souring on him quickly.

Then why are we adding a pick to Greenway to get him?

 

[GuerinUp]

while i agree greenway is probably done here, id rather he be used for a better player than strome. even if we have to add.