Tough Read... Johan Franzen really struggling

[Dotter]

If Blashill is getting fired and it comes down between promoting Bylsma or bringing back Babcock, I'm 100% on the Babcock train. **** Bylsma!

 

[Run the Jewels]

Prashanth Iyer
@iyer_prashanth
This Babcock stuff is ridiculous. To recap: - Babcock verbally assaults Franzen - Wings veterans reportedly approach Holland asking for Babcock to be fired - Holland's response is to protect Babcock and tells players that they can request a trade if they don't like it

Holland clinging helplessly to the status quo? Yep, that checks out as being totally believable.

 

[Claypool]

Franzen should not have been playing hockey if his anxiety was that bad.

 

[TheClap]

Franzen should not have been playing hockey if his brain injury was that bad.

FTFY

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

That’s rough to hear. Franzen really should have been done 2 concussions prior. It sounds like the culture was suck it up and get out there. Disappointing to hear. Glad we have Stevie running the show now, hoping he has a better mindset for the players as he was one himself. Holland and Babcock are dinosaurs.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Franzen should not have been playing hockey if his anxiety was that bad.

Probably not. And I bet you any money Franzen in hindsight would agree with you.

 

[Ezekial]

Holland clinging helplessly to the status quo? Yep, that checks out as being totally believable.

Holland is such a stupid f***, who would want to stick by a coach that had in the previous 4 years won a Stanley Cup, went to another Final, and won a round of each if the other 2 years?

I don't condone trying to f*** with people mentally or emotionally, but none of this is surprising. Hockey coaches are known as hard asses, Mike Babock is known as a hard ass hockey coach, I'm sure there's plenty of other stories of him yelling at players.

 

[MBH]

That’s rough to hear. Franzen really should have been done 2 concussions prior. It sounds like the culture was suck it up and get out there. Disappointing to hear. Glad we have Stevie running the show now, hoping he has a better mindset for the players as he was one himself. Holland and Babcock are dinosaurs.

Weird to hear Babcock called a "dinosaur."
When he came to Detroit, he was a rising young star.

 

[MBH]

Holland is such a stupid ****, who would want to stick by a coach that had in the previous 4 years won a Stanley Cup, went to another Final, and won a round of each if the other 2 years?

Should have fired him.
By then, this team was already on the downswing.
Babcock was alienating everyone and chasing players away, and preventing other players from coming her.

I wonder how much Babcock had to do with Suter saying no.
Suter and Chelios were great friends.

How does this team look in 12-13 and 13-14 and 14-15 if...
1) We haven't chased away Filppula and wasted money on Weiss.
2) Suter signs here.
3) We use Tatar/Nyquist on scoring lines instead of Babcock using Abdelkader and Helm.

Granted, we still hit a wall when Datsyuk declines..

But I bet we look a lot better for those 3 years.

 

[Ezekial]

Should have fired him.
By then, this team was already on the downswing.

Clearly, didn't get past the first round once since his first season as Wings head coach, f***ing terrible coach get out of here. Huge downswing. Hindsight is amazing.

 

[Richard Gibson]

he was coach 9 yrs in Detroit

 

[Richard Gibson]

he's 56 yrs old

 

[nihlify]

Holland is such a stupid ****, who would want to stick by a coach that had in the previous 4 years won a Stanley Cup, went to another Final, and won a round of each if the other 2 years?

I don't condone trying to **** with people mentally or emotionally, but none of this is surprising. Hockey coaches are known as hard asses, Mike Babock is known as a hard ass hockey coach, I'm sure there's plenty of other stories of him yelling at players.

Yeah, if we are going to out every coach that has yelled rude stuff at their players we'll be here for a long time. I don't think that's how a leader should be, but it's hardly surprising as you say.

 

[Richard Gibson]

Bowman > Babcock

 

[Hen Kolland]

Bowman > Babcock

Really going out on a limb here, yeah?

 

[Richard Gibson]

against anybody

 

[MBH]

Clearly, didn't get past the first round once since his first season as Wings head coach, ****ing terrible coach get out of here. Huge downswing. Hindsight is amazing.

Didn't take hindsight.
Lots of fans wanted this jackass gone way before then.

 

[TheClap]

Holland is such a stupid ****, who would want to stick by a coach that had in the previous 4 years won a Stanley Cup, went to another Final, and won a round of each if the other 2 years?

I don't condone trying to **** with people mentally or emotionally, but none of this is surprising. Hockey coaches are known as hard asses, Mike Babock is known as a hard ass hockey coach, I'm sure there's plenty of other stories of him yelling at players.

If it was known then the players hated him, and it was, and all evidence at the time supported the idea they had already begun to tune him out, then yes, Holland should have had the foresight and balls to move on from Mike Babcock.

The Penguins faced a similar situation in 2014 when they moved on from Danny Bylsma 5 years removed from a Stanley Cup with him, 1 years removed from a conference finals appearance, and just enduring a 2nd round exit. They were greatly rewarded for that aggressiveness.

It's easier to appease 18 skaters by canning a universally despised coach, than it is to replace 18 skaters.

 

[Ezekial]

Didn't take hindsight.
Lots of fans wanted this jackass gone way before then.

Yep in 11-12 a bunch of fans wanted Babs gone. Maybe even like 90% of us. We were so woke then.

 

[TheClap]

Yeah, if we are going to out every coach that has yelled rude stuff at their players we'll be here for a long time. I don't think that's how a leader should be, but it's hardly surprising as you say.

If you haven't been paying attention, Babcock did a hell of a lot more than just yell at players.

 

[TheClap]

Should have fired him.
By then, this team was already on the downswing.
Babcock was alienating everyone and chasing players away, and preventing other players from coming her.

I wonder how much Babcock had to do with Suter saying no.
Suter and Chelios were great friends.

How does this team look in 12-13 and 13-14 and 14-15 if...
1) We haven't chased away Filppula and wasted money on Weiss.
2) Suter signs here.
3) We use Tatar/Nyquist on scoring lines instead of Babcock using Abdelkader and Helm.

Granted, we still hit a wall when Datsyuk declines..

But I bet we look a lot better for those 3 years.

Bill "N-word" Peters was an assistant coach those years too.
Birds of a feather....
Not difficult to see how there was "Swedish Mafia" mutiny in the locker-room. Don't think it was just the Swedes, though.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

I said it in another thread but people like Babcock are very lucky they were born in the small portion of human history in which we live in a civilized society with laws and social norms. A coward hiding behind bureaucracy

 

[Richard Gibson]

Prashanth Iyer
@iyer_prashanth
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Here’s a clearer summary: In 11-12: -Babcock “verbally assaults” Franzen -Wings players initially do nothing but discuss amongst themselves -Holland gives “good” speech on Babcock per Chelios but says players can request trade if they want.At an unknown time (but presumably some time in 2012-2013) vets approach Holland about firing Babcock and they are rebuffed. This is per Colaiacovo’s recent discussion on TSN.
Prashanth Iyer
@iyer_prashanth
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There are now two different player account of Babcock’s intimidatory stance with some players and as well as accounts of Holland being aware but neglecting to make a change, even when approached by veteran players

 

[hyduK]

Yikes. Would have liked to have seen some of the vets call Holland's shit.

What does Holland do after that speech is Lidstrom or Zetterberg ask for trades?

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

This really sours my opinion on Mike Babcock, if I'm being honest. Between this and the Marner thing, just ugly.