Toronto Maple Leafs Mid Season Prospect Rankings #5/6 TIE BREAKER

[Muston Atthews]

Not surprised to see Johnson winning. This board has always had an obsession with point totals and wouldn't know a good defensemen if it slapped them in the face.

Mens league > juniors

Not to mention young defensemen are extremely hard to project.

 

[Leafidelity]

Mens league > juniors

Not to mention young defensemen are extremely hard to project.

Not to mention Johnson had a more impressive WJC himself, which is what 90% of people are going by.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Another reason for opening up the vote for #6:

Votes were 6-5 in favour of Timashov #3 rankings
Votes were 12-7 in favour of Timashov in #4 rankings
Votes were 52-44 in favour of Dermott in #5 rankings

 

[Leafs at Knight]

I find it ironic how people are saying the majority of people who voted for Dermott are basing it off his WJC, when watching Erie/OHL games is 100x easier to watch than SHL games.

I'm not even discrediting Johnson, as I have no problem with him over Dermott, he's my 3rd favourite prospect after Marner and Dermott, but some of the comments make me smh.

 

[KGL]

A few people have raised good points regarding the #6 poll. For those reasons the loser of this poll will not automatically be slotted in as the #6 and I will put up a #6 poll tomorrow.

 

[Muston Atthews]

I find it ironic how people are saying the majority of people who voted for Dermott are basing it off his WJC, when watching Erie/OHL games is 100x easier to watch than SHL games.

I'm not even discrediting Johnson, as I have no problem with him over Dermott, he's my 3rd favourite prospect after Marner and Dermott, but some of the comments make me smh.

Andrew Nielsen -> 49 GP, 52 P +31 - In on 25% of team's goals (as of today).
-----Lethbridge Hurricanes: 1st in WHL. +68 goal differential
Travis Dermott -> 38 GP, 34 P +28 - In on 18% of team's goals (as of today).
-----Erie Otters: 1st in OHL. +73 goal differential

So why is Dermott ranked so much higher? Team Canada bias. Stop shaking your head.

 

[Terrible GM]

Just because Johnson is in a mens league and Dermott is the minors means nothing. I have high hopes for both players, but look at some of the other top scores in the SHL this year and previous years. Scattered with N.American players who couldn't make it the NHL/AHL. He may be great when he comes over (and I hope he is), but I just cant put him higher than Dermott.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Just because Johnson is in a mens league and Dermott is the minors means nothing. I have high hopes for both players, but look at some of the other top scores in the SHL this year and previous years. Scattered with N.American players who couldn't make it the NHL/AHL. He may be great when he comes over (and I hope he is), but I just cant put him higher than Dermott.

You could say the exact same thing about the OHL... except one is playing against men and the other isn't. One is also a forward which is much more projectable than defense.

The top scorers in the SHL are (by age):

29, 29, 25, 33, 21 (Johnson), 27, 28, 27, 30, 30, 32, 27, 28, 25, 29, 20, 33, 28, 25, 26

What Johnson is doing as a 21 year old is pretty impressive.

 

[Rielly4]

Its not about points. Watch Dermott play, hes so dominant...Really really underrated player with the puck and an extremely strong skater. Has good size for a guy who can skate and handle the puck so well..Is very Doughty like.

Andreas is an incredible talent out in sweden, he has a hell of a shot and good hands to go with it. He could very well end up being our own Kucherov...

But to me Dermott should have been #3...He has top pairing potential and a top 4 floor IMO. For me hes basically a lock to be a future NHLer.

 

[Terrible GM]

You could say the exact same thing about the OHL... except one is playing against men and the other isn't. One is also a forward which is much more projectable than defense.

The top scorers in the SHL are (by age):

29, 29, 25, 33, 21 (Johnson), 27, 28, 27, 30, 30, 32, 27, 28, 25, 29, 20, 33, 28, 25, 26

What Johnson is doing as a 21 year old is pretty impressive.

I agree it's impressive, and he has a great shot. Just trying to make a point that the SHL competition and success holds very little weight with me. I have watched a handful of Johnsons games and like him alot, but I'm rather nervous on the transition to the N.American game.

I just have a feeling Dermott's game and ceiling is higher.

 

[sessiroth]

I personally have it as

Nylander
Marner
Dermott
Brown
Kapanen

IMO top 4 d potential > top 6 winger potential

 

[Muston Atthews]

I personally have it as

Nylander
Marner
Dermott
Brown
Kapanen

IMO top 4 d potential > top 6 winger potential

Why isn't Nielsen ahead of Brown and Kapanen as well then?

 

[Warden of the North]

Dermott is living off the Team Canada hype right now.

The fact he was on team Canada shouldnt be used as a detriment.

 

[Muston Atthews]

The fact he was on team Canada shouldnt be used as a detriment.

I never said it was a detriment. People have taken it that way but not once have I implied it.

 

[TorontoTrades]

Not to mention Johnson had a more impressive WJC himself, which is what 90% of people are going by.

so Kapanen > Marner and injury prone Nylander?

 

[jjjshab]

He is undersized. The average height in the NHL is 6'1". More exceptional skills are required for a 5'10" to be a legit NHLer. I think he has those abilities. However look at Arcobello as an example of a doubtlessly talented player who is not a weakling but struggles to be an NHL player.

offensive skills but can't play d for his life. nathan gerbe is 5'5; i don't exactly see him as a game changer. people overvalue height too much; if they can play, they can play.

 

[Moonman]

Johnson, hands down.

 

[WilliamNylander]

Johnson.

He's going to turn heads once he gets to the Leafs next year.

 

[Mess]

The fact he was on team Canada shouldnt be used as a detriment.

Agreed.

Team Canada is strong in talent and its actually a + and not a - that Dermott was considered and named to play for his country.