Proposal: Toronto-Columbus

Viqsi

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So here's a possibility that came to mind that I figured might be worth some discussion. Opted to keep it fairly simple.


To Toronto:
David Savard (27, RD, 3yrs/$4.25m)

To Columbus:
Nazem Kadri (27, C, 4yrs/$4.5m)


Pros for Toronto:
With the addition of John Tavares (!), Kadri suddenly has a much reduced role on the Leafs, to the point that he just might be expendable. RD is a significant area of need, and while Savard isn't a #1D, he can play on a top pair with a good partner and not be totally out of place, AND he's excellent defensively, so he would likely do just fine alongside someone like Rielly (or possibly Gardiner, if folks haven't completely given up on him yet :) ). This doesn't exactly solve all of Toronto's blueline issues, but it should go a long way towards helping.

Pros for Columbus:
Nutivaara's just been getting better and better, so a top-4 guy can likely be spared - and with this approach, center depth goes from a weak point to an overwhelming strength. Kadri's not a #1C, but he definitely is one of the better two-way scoring center values in the League right now, and so he'd be able to push both Wennberg and/or PLD as needed. Also, this would enable World's Most Hated Line combinations by putting Dubinsky on his wing... ;)

Cons for Toronto:
There's not much in the way of quality proven centers on the Leafs after Matthews/Tavares/Kadri, and while one of Nylander or Marleau could be moved over they're kind of needed at wing. So, in essence, this makes the Leafs even more top-heavy - and it nips in the bud the sheer awesomeness potential of having those three guys as your top 3 centers. That sort of thing can work out when you've got a pair of franchise centers, but it's a risk, and the question is whether or not someone like Savard is worth that risk.

Cons for Columbus:
RD is already a tad thin, and this thins it even further. The Jackets would almost certainly be obliged to go shopping, although there are some options still out there on the market that would possibly do fine behind Jones and Nutivaara (personally, I like DeMelo). This also takes away experience from what is already an extremely young blueline. And then there's that whole "we just signed Nash" thing, which calls into question whether or not this quixotic quest for Yet Another Not A #1 Center is still even necessary.


Thoughts? Comments? Lavish praise? Thinly veiled insults? Bring 'em on.
 
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Liferleafer

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So here's a possibility that came to mind that I figured might be worth some discussion. Opted to keep it fairly simple.


To Toronto:
David Savard (27, RD, 3yrs/$4.25m)

To Columbus:
Nazem Kadri (27, C, 4yrs/$4.5m)


Pros for Toronto:
With the addition of John Tavares (!), Kadri suddenly has a much reduced role on the Leafs, to the point that he just might be expendable. RD is a significant area of need, and while Savard isn't a #1D, he can play on a top pair with a good partner and not be totally out of place, AND he's excellent defensively, so he would likely do just fine alongside someone like Rielly (or possibly Gardiner, if folks haven't completely given up on him yet :) ). This doesn't exactly solve all of Toronto's blueline issues, but it should go a long way towards helping.

Pros for Columbus:
Nutivaara's just been getting better and better, so a top-4 guy can likely be spared - and with this approach, center depth goes from a weak point to an overwhelming strength. Kadri's not a #1C, but he definitely is one of the better two-way scoring center values in the League right now, and so he'd be able to push both Wennberg and/or PLD as needed. Also, this would enable World's Most Hated Line combinations by putting Dubinsky on his wing... ;)

Cons for Toronto:
There's not much in the way of quality proven centers on the Leafs after Matthews/Tavares/Kadri, and while one of Nylander or Marleau could be moved over they're kind of needed at wing. So, in essence, this makes the Leafs even more top-heavy - and it nips in the bud the sheer awesomeness potential of having those three guys as your top 3 centers. That sort of thing can work out when you've got a pair of franchise centers, but it's a risk, and the question is whether or not someone like Savard is worth that risk.

Cons for Columbus:
RD is already a tad thin, and this thins it even further. The Jackets would almost certainly be obliged to go shopping, although there are some options still out there on the market that would possibly do fine behind Jones and Nutivaara (personally, I like DeMelo). This also takes away experience from what is already an extremely young blueline. And then there's that whole "we just signed Nash" thing, which calls into question whether or not this quixotic quest for Yet Another Not A #1 Center is still even necessary.


Thoughts? Comments? Lavish praise? Thinly veiled insults? Bring 'em on.
Kadri is to valuable to Toronto, he won't be traded IMO.
 
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Kadri is about the last guy the Leafs would be interested in trading right now. Four more years on a great contract for what he can produce. They'll hold onto him until this contract runs out. Then he will probably be too expensive to keep as a third line center, but that is a ways away.
 
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Kadri is one of the best value contracts (non ELC) in the league there is no way he will moved. Even more so since the JT signing as Toronto needs every good value contract they can find.
 

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Leafs fans won't like this. They'll say Jones/Werenski, Jackets fan will rightfully reply with Matthews/Marner/Nylander and the pissing match will begin.

The value in OP is tilted towards the Columbus end imo
 

Viqsi

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Leafs fans won't like this. They'll say Jones/Werenski, Jackets fan will rightfully reply with Matthews/Marner/Nylander and the pissing match will begin.

The value in OP is tilted towards the Columbus end imo
It probably is. I wasn't sure how to balance that, though, so I figured I'd at least try to get it started.
 
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Sypher04

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I would be interested in acquiring David Savard but can't see us including Kadri in any deal right now.

What are Columbus' biggest needs?
 

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As much as I like Savard, I think you need to add .

Toronto direction is high on Kadri and they think he will still improve, plus Kadri is a really good annoying center to play agaisn't. He is a legit #2C and a legit #2C is worth more than a second pairing defensive D.
 

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Savard would be a nice add, but your not getting Kadri if the package coming back is around savard.

See the leafs are in the position of strength here where they don't need to add a meh defensive piece.
We love our offensive depth and if Kadri is going, it's for a top pairing defenseman and we'll add to Kadri to get the guy we want.
 

Dr Quincy

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So here's a possibility that came to mind that I figured might be worth some discussion. Opted to keep it fairly simple.


To Toronto:
David Savard (27, RD, 3yrs/$4.25m)

To Columbus:
Nazem Kadri (27, C, 4yrs/$4.5m)


Pros for Toronto:
With the addition of John Tavares (!), Kadri suddenly has a much reduced role on the Leafs, to the point that he just might be expendable. RD is a significant area of need, and while Savard isn't a #1D, he can play on a top pair with a good partner and not be totally out of place, AND he's excellent defensively, so he would likely do just fine alongside someone like Rielly (or possibly Gardiner, if folks haven't completely given up on him yet :) ). This doesn't exactly solve all of Toronto's blueline issues, but it should go a long way towards helping.

Pros for Columbus:
Nutivaara's just been getting better and better, so a top-4 guy can likely be spared - and with this approach, center depth goes from a weak point to an overwhelming strength. Kadri's not a #1C, but he definitely is one of the better two-way scoring center values in the League right now, and so he'd be able to push both Wennberg and/or PLD as needed. Also, this would enable World's Most Hated Line combinations by putting Dubinsky on his wing... ;)

Cons for Toronto:
There's not much in the way of quality proven centers on the Leafs after Matthews/Tavares/Kadri, and while one of Nylander or Marleau could be moved over they're kind of needed at wing. So, in essence, this makes the Leafs even more top-heavy - and it nips in the bud the sheer awesomeness potential of having those three guys as your top 3 centers. That sort of thing can work out when you've got a pair of franchise centers, but it's a risk, and the question is whether or not someone like Savard is worth that risk.

Cons for Columbus:
RD is already a tad thin, and this thins it even further. The Jackets would almost certainly be obliged to go shopping, although there are some options still out there on the market that would possibly do fine behind Jones and Nutivaara (personally, I like DeMelo). This also takes away experience from what is already an extremely young blueline. And then there's that whole "we just signed Nash" thing, which calls into question whether or not this quixotic quest for Yet Another Not A #1 Center is still even necessary.


Thoughts? Comments? Lavish praise? Thinly veiled insults? Bring 'em on.

Savard would need a pretty significant add to get Kadri.
 

CBJWerenski8

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Kadri would be an upgrade at C, but we don't NEED him since we got Nash.

Hold onto Savard, let PLD and Wennberg battle for 1C. Have Nash buoy the 3C, and hope one of Sedlak/Dubinsky do something on 4C.
 
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Crede777

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I would be interested in acquiring David Savard but can't see us including Kadri in any deal right now.

What are Columbus' biggest needs?
A 1st or 2nd line center who has had moderate recent success in that position.
 

Randy Randerson

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At this point Toronto probably looks to band aid the RHD problem using non roster assets, unless we can find a guy who is a long term answer as a top pairing partner for Rielly, and even then we'd probably look for that package to start with Liljegren rather than a roster asset

CBJ and the leafs probably aren't great trade partners because neither will want to hurt their big league club
 

Filthy Dangles

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Bad value for Toronto. Savard would help the backend but not at the expense of trading NK for him.
 

CBJWerenski8

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you do know that Kadri is better than any of your current C ?
dubois will be better but he is still really really young

Okay, and?

Trading the assets necessary to get Kadri isn't worth it when we don't need him. Would he be an upgrade? Obviously. Doesn't mean you trade for him. Our management team loves Wennberg/PLd and don't want to stand in their developmental path.
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews

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Awful value for Toronto. Kadri is the best 3C in the league, and that kind of dynamic is more valuable than whatever savard would bring. I'm not opposed to trading for him, but the price should be considerably lower
 

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Kadri has been playing like a 7+ Million dollar player since he signed this contract.

You dont throw away those sweetheart deals in a cap world. Tavares - Matthews - Kadri is absolutely insane combo.
 

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