Proposal: TOR X Carolina - No Kapanen

[Liferleafer]

Probably best to lock this one up as it will only go downhill from here, and it's already starting near the bottom of the hill.

Mission accomplished for the OP.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Either way, I'm bowing out of this one as well.

 

[Cor]

If you squint your eyes like all the way, this trade ain’t so bad

 

[Funk21]

Habs fan here. Not a Leafs homer. Originally didn't have Ferland, and had Johnsson over Kapanen but had to change it last minute because it was really uneven. Please fix title mods

To Toronto: Hamilton, Pesce, (Ferland)

To Carolina: Zaitsev, Bracco, Sandin, 2020 1st, Johnsson (Kapanen instead of A.J if Ferland is involved)

Still think the Leafs have to add here, just not sure how much more. Adding Liljegren wouldn't make it work considering the Canes owner is gung-ho on getting forwards.

Thoughts?

As a TML fan they would do this in a second. Carolina would hang up the phone immediately.

Your talking about two top 4 RHD .....

I’ll just stop and while I have gotten some flak for some proposals this is beyond bad.

 

[howkie]

Scoring a right handed defender and they also get prospects.

Got a downgrade on the RHD, switching wingers and a bunch of prospects when they already loaded with middle wingers.

Start with 1 of the big 3 and go on from there (Nylander is only intressting after July 1)

 

[Leaf Fans]

Ya. Typical really. Welcome to ignore. Why? Cuz you are dumb.

That would be you.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Got a downgrade on the RHD, switching wingers and a bunch of prospects when they already loaded with middle wingers.

Start with 1 of the big 3 and go on from there (Nylander is only intressting after July 1)

Yes, that is possible.

 

[Orfieus]

After each game I'm more and more convinced if Carolina wants Kapanen or Johnsson it will be Pesce +, as skilled forward >> Defensive Dman

 

[Leaf Fans]

And it’s really only one leafs fan who’s defending it.

I am not defending it. I objected to "getting crap back" or garbage or nothing. Ect ect. I said of course The Canes aren't going to give up 2 defencemen. Don't project me as something I am not.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Imagine the concept of trading the two of them to separate teams in order to gain more valuable assets from each respective team? Each would fetch more than the Travis Hamonic return and the Leafs can't afford to match that. Maybe for one, but not two.

 

[TBF1972]

After each game I'm more and more convinced if Carolina wants Kapanen or Johnsson it will be Pesce +, as skilled forward >> Defensive Dman

+? You mean an asset like Scott Darling.

 

[GoldiFox]

It would cost Kapanen alone to shed Zaitsev's contract. $20+ million owed to a bottom-pair D. Canes got a better asset in Teravainen for one year of Brian Bickell at $4 million.

 

[MisterT]

Absolutely, but with a D core of

Rielly/Hamilton
Muzzin/Pesce
Gardiner/Hainsey

they could ACTUALLY win the cup this year.

Sorry I must of missed all the cup teams Hamilton and Pesce played on. Just for the record, Toronto with its inferior defense have been the better defensive team than Carolina. Goaltending likely accounts for that, but why bust up the chemistry on something that's working with the Leafs 5th in overall standings?

 

[MisterT]

It would cost Kapanen alone to shed Zaitsev's contract. $20+ million owed to a bottom-pair D. Canes got a better asset in Teravainen for one year of Brian Bickell at $4 million.

Well, that's a steaming load:
Teravainen's best season prior to being trade 13 G 22 A for 35 Pts in 78 games
Kapanen's best season to date 18 G 16 A for 34 Pts in only 56 games. Extrapolated that comes damn close to 50 pts.

 

[go comets]

Sorry I must of missed all the cup teams Hamilton and Pesce played on. Just for the record, Toronto with its inferior defense have been the better defensive team than Carolina. Goaltending likely accounts for that, but why bust up the chemistry on something that's working with the Leafs 5th in overall standings?

I agree, the leafs need to run with what they have and see how they hold up in the playoffs before making major trades.

The canes have been much better since the Nino came over and they too need to see what they can do before making more changes.

 

[TBF1972]

Well, that's a steaming load:
Teravainen's best season prior to being trade 13 G 22 A for 35 Pts in 78 games
Kapanen's best season to date 18 G 16 A for 34 Pts in only 56 games. Extrapolated that comes damn close to 50 pts.

If you extrapolate Kapanen's points, you should also extrapolate Bickell's contract to five years. Taking on an undesired contract for such a long time carries unpredictable risks.

 

[Sota Popinski]

I don't care, really what matters is if the GM does or not. They are not going to poll us.

Then why offer any trades on here, you dunce?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Sorry I must of missed all the cup teams Hamilton and Pesce played on. Just for the record, Toronto with its inferior defense have been the better defensive team than Carolina. Goaltending likely accounts for that, but why bust up the chemistry on something that's working with the Leafs 5th in overall standings?

What does never having won a cup have to do with anything? Erik Karlsson is no good because he’s never won a cup? Brent Burns? Shea Weber?

Why do leafs fans always bring up cups?

 

[GoldiFox]

Well, that's a steaming load:
Teravainen's best season prior to being trade 13 G 22 A for 35 Pts in 78 games
Kapanen's best season to date 18 G 16 A for 34 Pts in only 56 games. Extrapolated that comes damn close to 50 pts.

Looking at 22 year old season vs 21 year old season. The issue with Kapanen is that he used an entire ELC year in the AHL (2016-17) due to sliding twice already. That is why he is up for RFA coming off his breakout year next to Matthews whereas Teravainen came to Carolina with 1 RFA year remaining. In Kapanen's case I fear it will create a cascading contract issue which ends in a salary much bigger than Teravainen's recent 5 year x $5.4 million deal.

 

[Orfieus]

+? You mean an asset like Scott Darling.

Pesce + 2nd for Johnsson

 

[GoldiFox]

What does never having won a cup have to do with anything? Erik Karlsson is no good because he’s never won a cup? Brent Burns? Shea Weber?

Why do leafs fans always bring up cups?

Even besides the Stanley Cup threshold it is a pretty silly argument based on strength of team. He "must have missed" that Dougie Hamilton played a top-4 role on the 2013-14 Boston Bruins who finished the year 54-19-9. Given that the Leafs are currently 35-18-3, I think it is very unlikely they will match the strength of that Boston team.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Pesce + 2nd for Johnsson

Ooooh, that’s a tough one. Going to have to say no, though.

 

[TBF1972]

Pesce + 2nd for Johnsson

So we talk about 2022 - earliest.

 

[Stickpucker]

Vomit.

 

[UnSandvich]

What does never having won a cup have to do with anything? Erik Karlsson is no good because he’s never won a cup? Brent Burns? Shea Weber?

Why do leafs fans always bring up cups?

Because they are close to reaching the Rangers record for Stanley Cup drought, and want to know what it's like to actually have a winner play on their team