Proposal: TOR X Carolina - No Kapanen

[Mackiaveli]

Habs fan here. Not a Leafs homer. Originally didn't have Ferland, and had Johnsson over Kapanen but had to change it last minute because it was really uneven. Please fix title mods

To Toronto: Hamilton, Pesce, (Ferland)

To Carolina: Zaitsev, Bracco, Sandin, 2020 1st, Johnsson (Kapanen instead of A.J if Ferland is involved)

Still think the Leafs have to add here, just not sure how much more. Adding Liljegren wouldn't make it work considering the Canes owner is gung-ho on getting forwards.

Thoughts?

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[hotpaws]

as a Leaf fan , giddy up lol

this isn't going to go over too well with Canes fans

 

[OVO16]

You literally have "No Kapanen" in the title, yet he's in the trade proposal.

 

[Mackiaveli]

You literally have "No Kapanen" in the title, yet he's in the trade proposal.

Yeah, I forgot to edit a note at the front. Thanks for pointing that out LOL

 

[OVO16]

And no, this trade just sucks. Doesnt matter for which team. It just sucks.

Lock it up

 

[A1LeafNation]

Bracco, Sandin, 2020 1st, Kapanen

Leafs just burning through their future. No chance.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Bracco, Sandin, 2020 1st, Kapanen

Leafs just burning through their future. No chance.

Absolutely, but with a D core of

Rielly/Hamilton
Muzzin/Pesce
Gardiner/Hainsey

they could ACTUALLY win the cup this year.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Absolutely, but with a D core of

Rielly/Hamilton
Muzzin/Pesce
Gardiner/Hainsey

they could ACTUALLY win the cup this year.

3 new top 4 dmen. Did you account for chemistry?

 

[Leafs87]

Really makes no sense for either. Leafs are left with no future and cost controlled assets and Canes get hosed value wise with giving up two right D and taking in Zaitsev. Leafs will also have to make serious adjustments to keep the team they’d have and while you include one of Johnsson or Kapanen, the other will be a cap casualty and probably same with Muzzin after this deal

The first is a huge no go as that’ll be a cost controlled depth piece and maybe more if they play it right. I think one of the biggest mistakes competitive teams make is trading 1st for rentals and just undervalue 1st in general, while this isn’t a rental deal they still shouldn’t trade back to back firsts.

 

[howkie]

Impressive, Canes gives up 2 rhd and gets nothing they really need.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Impressive, Canes gives up 2 rhd and gets nothing they really need.

Theys get a RD, a prospect LD a good forward and a prospect forward and next years first. what do they need?

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

This destroys Toronto's window to go all in on a year when the team we would play round two is on pace for 130 points.

 

[ookhaab]

Theys get a RD, a prospect LD a good forward and a prospect forward and next years first. what do they need?

What they DONT need is a RD, prospect LD, a good forward, and next years first.

Besides that package including nothing what Carolina wants, they would never trade 2 top pair RDs in the same deal.

What they do want is elite scorer. Carolina wants to add talent, they dont want to sell it for fairly mediocre futures.

 

[Leaf Fans]

What they DONT need is a RD, prospect LD, a good forward, and next years first.

Besides that package including nothing what Carolina wants, they would never trade 2 top pair RDs in the same deal.

What they do want is elite scorer. Carolina wants to add talent, they dont want to sell it for fairly mediocre futures.

Obviously, that is why this trade was offered. It guts the Leafs of their excellent futures.

 

[BB88]

Really addressess Carolinas problems real well.

 

[The Red Line]

So when you say no Kapanen what you really meant was yes Kapanen.

 

[howkie]

Theys get a RD, a prospect LD a good forward and a prospect forward and next years first. what do they need?

Scoring, offensive talents to suppliment TT and Aho, what do you think they need?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Scoring, offensive talents to suppliment TT and Aho, what do you think they need?

Scoring a right handed defender and they also get prospects.

 

[elmaco]

Atrocious for Carolina

 

[Hugh Mungus]

ew

 

[TBF1972]

If Johnsson + 2020 1st equals Hamilton and Sandin and Bracco equals Pesce (I doubt Carolina agrees), than Carolina makes Toronto the favor to pick up the Zaitsev contract for nothing at all.

The current proposal doesn't work for Carolina because of Zaitsev's contract and it sets them a few years back. On the other hand if you take out Zaitsev, it doesn't work for Toronto, as they will have to let go an even more valuable piece in the summer as a cap casualty.

Back to drawing board and closed.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Wow, how could Carolina say no to this? A bottom six forward with 50 nhl games under his belt and a bunch of magic beans for two top 4 RHD with term. Not to mention that said forward is a lefty and the Canes already have Nino, Teravainen, Ferland, Svechnikov, McGinn, Martinook, and Maenalanen as left handed wingers. And then next year when Faulk is a UFA, the Canes get to have Zaitsev as their top RHD.

Good job taking both teams needs into account here.

 

[Tatar Shots]

This is brutal for Carolina

 

[sittler rules!!!]

3 new top 4 dmen. Did you account for chemistry?

Oh, come on. That's reaching.

 

[Chan790]

Scoring a right handed defender and they also get prospects.

They're spitting distance of the playoffs, trying to make the playoffs for the 1st time in a decade. So...what do they need from a trade?

*An established, young building block top-line Forward. No, that's not Kapanen or AJ. Not even both. Nylander? Maybe...though for the Canes that's preferably an offseason trade, post bonus. You need to give up something bigger for what you've asked for.

*To trade no more than 1 top-4 RHD(Pesce or Hamilton)...including a second lower-tier RHD might be possible depending on the quality of the return.

*No defensemen back. No LHD, RHD, veterans, specs, Zaitsev, Lil, Sandin, not even Rielly or Muzzin. No defensemen.

*Todays, not futures.

*If they could gut the playoffs chances of a team in front of them, thus improving their own chances of making the playoffs, that would be good too.