Confirmed Trade: [TOR/VAN] Josh Leivo for Michael Carcone

[HoweHullOrr]

While I agree with most of this I don’t agree that Vancouver “won” this trade. Until we see otherwise, Carcone is tracking to be roughly comparable to Leivo, except he’s younger and will be vying for the NHL roster in about 2-3 years, so effectively the Leafs just rewound the clock on a prospect that will probably peak at a 20 goal scoring 4th liner with upside.

fair enough... until Carcone suits up, i think Van won the trade... however, as previously stated, TO won PR

IF he ever suits up perhaps is the more appropriate way to frame this ......

 

[Riptide]

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

Happens more then you think.

So Lou Lamoriello was never a good GM in your mind?

Or Brian Burke, Ray Shero, Jim Rutherford... I could go on and on.

UFAs want money and a chance to win. That's it. No UFA will care about leivo.

They want to know that the GM will have their back if things change, or they can't handle Toronto or whatever. If you think for one second that FAs don't take a lot more into consideration then just how much money they'll get or a "chance to win" then you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Your right that they won't care about Leivo, but they will care about how the situation was handled.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

While I agree with most of this I don’t agree that Vancouver “won” this trade. Until we see otherwise, Carcone is tracking to be roughly comparable to Leivo, except he’s younger and will be vying for the NHL roster in about 2-3 years, so effectively the Leafs just rewound the clock on a prospect that will probably peak at a 20 goal scoring 4th liner with upside.

Lmao Carcone will never suit up, career AHLer trust me.

 

[TimPeel]

Leaf fan here. Dumb trade especially now that we have injury concerns in the bottom part of our line up. Leivo added some solid board play and size to our team which we sorely needed. I still don't understand it, especially for a guy that will likely never make the show.

 

[indigobuffalo]

IF he ever suits up perhaps is the more appropriate way to frame this ......

What a pessimistic outlook applicable to every prospect.

 

[LeafChief]

Happy for Josh.

He deserved a shot to play. He wouldn't have got it here. Even with the injuries, there are players on the Marlies that surpassed him.

He reminds me a lot of Panik when he went to Chicago.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

What a pessimistic outlook applicable to every prospect.

Perhaps. Pessimistic or realistic? All we can do is wait and see.

 

[indigobuffalo]

Perhaps. Pessimistic or realistic? All we can do is wait and see.

An optimist sees a glass half full, a pessimist sees the glass half empty.

A realist sees a drink.

An opportunist takes it.

 

[Killer Orcas]

I don't believe this was really a trade per say. Leivo was made a promise by Dubas apparently to get a fair shake and Toronto just has so much depth upfront he wasn't gonna get a chance there. Hence he was moved to a more favorable chance in Vancouver for peanuts. Classy move by Dubas and as a Canucks fan thank you.

PS I'm sure Dubas called other GM's to get a better return but when he didn't find a suitable solution I'm assuming he then gave Vancouver the gift.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Leaf fan here. Dumb trade especially now that we have injury concerns in the bottom part of our line up. Leivo added some solid board play and size to our team which we sorely needed. I still don't understand it, especially for a guy that will likely never make the show.

Moore is kinda replacing Ennis, and if Leivo wasn't traded, Moore would still in the minors.

Moore is potentially a Hall of Famer. One game and he got Gauthier a goal. Now that's takes so doing. PS I understand your frustration with the trade.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

An optimist sees a glass half full, a pessimist sees the glass half empty.

A realist sees a drink.

An opportunist takes it.

LOL. Cool.

I guess the moral in your story is that the Leafs/Dubas were "opportunists" and Carcone will have a solid NHL career?

Let's see how this plays out in time. Dubas should pick stocks too then in this case. He will be a billionaire in short time.

 

[Westcoastsniper]

I don't believe this was really a trade per say. Leivo was made a promise by Dubas apparently to get a fair shake and Toronto just has so much depth upfront he wasn't gonna get a chance there. Hence he was moved to a more favorable chance in Vancouver for peanuts. Classy move by Dubas and as a Canucks fan thank you.

PS I'm sure Dubas called other GM's to get a better return but when he didn't find a suitable solution I'm assuming he then gave Vancouver the gift.

It was reported Jim Benning called the morning of the trade and it was finalized shortly after.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

An optimist sees a glass half full, a pessimist sees the glass half empty.

A realist sees a drink.

An opportunist takes it.

 

[HabsQC]

Am I the only one who, everytime I see this thread, read Michael Corleone ?

 

[CraigBillington]

UFAs want money and a chance to win. That's it. No UFA will care about leivo.

Some also want to stay in a familiar location, be close to family, have amenities nearby (medical system, education for kids, etc). Some want a chance to play, or to rebuild their careers. Lots of reasons why some guys sign/re-sign wherever

 

[WetcoastOrca]

So the Leafs are spinning this as Dubas showing class and being a nice guy instead of making a poor trade.
On that basis, Vancouver can hold its head high as having one of the classiest GMs in the league.

 

[ToDavid]

Leaf fan here. Dumb trade especially now that we have injury concerns in the bottom part of our line up. Leivo added some solid board play and size to our team which we sorely needed. I still don't understand it, especially for a guy that will likely never make the show.

We have about a million depth wingers that can play 10 minutes on the fourth line. Ennis’ injury is not that big of a deal.

 

[LeafFever]

Not a good trade but this is 100% on Babcock. He just did not want to play him.
And it's not like any Leaf fan thought they could win this trade.

 

[LeafFever]

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

Good GMs sign superstars like Tavares AND keep their word.

 

[96]

Am I the only one who, everytime I see this thread, read Michael Corleone ?

I don’t feel I need to wipe everybody out. Just my enemies.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

as much as I liked Leivo, life in Toronto wasn't ideal and as much as I wish he was still a leaf I'm kinda happier he moved on to continue his career and have a much better chance of sticking in the big club. I wish him nothing but luck going forward. kinda weird to be okay with a possible 20-25 goal scorer going for next to nothing. I'm also not writing off Carcone. he might have some good untapped potential. but this trade is won by Vancouver.

 

[TakeTheBody]

This is life in Leafland. A decent player who Babcock didn't really seem to care for is moved. Dubas claimed he was looking out for Leivo. Two injuries to Leaf forwards and now it's like we gave away the season. Chill. This trade has gotten more needless scrutiny than any move the Leafs have made in awhile.

What's gonna happen when Dubas makes a major move at the deadline? Half the people here won't even notice they'll still be focused on Josh freaking Leivo.....

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

We totally won this trade, but the irony is that the Leafs are better than the Canucks, nevertheless.

 

[Guardian452]

I'm also not writing off Carcone. he might have some good untapped potential. but this trade is won by Vancouver.

If only all fans could look at things from your perspective instead of tossing every player who is not lighting up the NHL every night on the scrap heap. Realistically, though, unless Carcone shows something in the second half of the season that he hasn’t shown before, he will be non-tendered when his ELC runs out at the end of the year. The writing was pretty much on the wall with his chances of ever making the Canucks lineup when he was the first player cut from training camp this year.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Good GMs sign superstars like Tavares AND keep their word.

Tavares wanted to go there if it was the last thing he did