Confirmed Trade: [TOR/VAN] Josh Leivo for Michael Carcone

[hullsy47]

Think he’s gonna be a consistent 20 goal scorer on rebuilding/small market teams

can't play regularly on good teams

 

[The Examiner]

Didn't play it in Sudbury either.

We were talking about Ennis, not Leivo.

 

[LeafSteel]

Ennis got hurt tonight and will be out for a while.

Can we please have Leivo back? We will give you Michael Carcone and s signed Mats Sundin jersey in return.....

Many thanks!!!

 

[Bankerguy]

Vancouver won this trade...

however, what TO did is a good reflection on upper management. Leivo is at minimum a good 4th line NHL calibre player.. who for whatever reason wasnt a fit. He was patient and GM brass rewarded him by sending him to a team that could use him..even if they lost the deal..

The fact they did this could weigh in on other young guys or UFA vets in the future.
Reputation is important.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Vancouver won this trade...

however, what TO did is a good reflection on upper management. Leivo is at minimum a good 4th line NHL calibre player.. who for whatever reason wasnt a fit. He was patient and GM brass rewarded him by sending him to a team that could use him..even if they lost the deal..

The fact they did this could weigh in on other young guys or UFA vets in the future.
Reputation is important.

 

[indigobuffalo]

Vancouver won this trade...

however, what TO did is a good reflection on upper management. Leivo is at minimum a good 4th line NHL calibre player.. who for whatever reason wasnt a fit. He was patient and GM brass rewarded him by sending him to a team that could use him..even if they lost the deal..

The fact they did this could weigh in on other young guys or UFA vets in the future.
Reputation is important.

While I agree with most of this I don’t agree that Vancouver “won” this trade. Until we see otherwise, Carcone is tracking to be roughly comparable to Leivo, except he’s younger and will be vying for the NHL roster in about 2-3 years, so effectively the Leafs just rewound the clock on a prospect that will probably peak at a 20 goal scoring 4th liner with upside.

 

[Bankerguy]

While I agree with most of this I don’t agree that Vancouver “won” this trade. Until we see otherwise, Carcone is tracking to be roughly comparable to Leivo, except he’s younger and will be vying for the NHL roster in about 2-3 years, so effectively the Leafs just rewound the clock on a prospect that will probably peak at a 20 goal scoring 4th liner with upside.

fair enough... until Carcone suits up, i think Van won the trade... however, as previously stated, TO won PR

 

[Leaf Fans]

fair enough... until Carcone suits up, i think Van won the trade... however, as previously stated, TO won PR

I don't think there is any question that Vancouver won the trade ( if that is even a real thing) The purpose of the trade was to get Levio to a place that he would play.

 

[The CyNick]

It was a trade to accommodate Levio. Our young GM showed his class by fulfilling a promise made to a player. Most Leaf fans are happy with the trade because it gives Levio a chance to play regularly. I am sure that no one believes that Dubas thought he was getting anymore than an expiering contract. Best of luck Josh.

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

 

[The CyNick]

Was it not Babcock who refused to utilize Leivo?

By giving him a steady shot on the PP? Cool narrative.

 

[Semantics]

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

So Lou Lamoriello was never a good GM in your mind?

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Ennis got hurt tonight and will be out for a while.

Can we please have Leivo back? We will give you Michael Carcone and s signed Mats Sundin jersey in return.....

Many thanks!!!

We have a better looking signed Sundin jersey in our halls already. But thanks

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

You seem to have it backwards.

And are you really complaining about wins? I'm looking at the standings now... Am I missing something?

 

[Rowlet]

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

bad GMs are the ones who don't do favors for players

 

[Revelation]

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

That's a great way to get UFAs to avoid your team and have RFAs hardball them for every penny they can. Funny how Toronto went from "good GM" to "bad GM" the moment they realized their big 3 weren't thrilled about being viewed as disposable hockey robots and wouldn't sign the team friendly deals the organization thought it was entitled to.

 

[The CyNick]

That's a great way to get UFAs to avoid your team and have RFAs hardball them for every penny they can. Funny how Toronto went from "good GM" to "bad GM" the moment they realized their big 3 weren't thrilled about being viewed as disposable hockey robots and wouldn't sign the team friendly deals the organization thought it was entitled to.

UFAs want money and a chance to win. That's it. No UFA will care about leivo.

 

[bandwagonesque]

While I agree with most of this I don’t agree that Vancouver “won” this trade. Until we see otherwise, Carcone is tracking to be roughly comparable to Leivo, except he’s younger and will be vying for the NHL roster in about 2-3 years, so effectively the Leafs just rewound the clock on a prospect that will probably peak at a 20 goal scoring 4th liner with upside.

He's 22 and has never played in the NHL. The prediction that he'll probably score 20 goals is obviously unfounded.

 

[Revelation]

UFAs want money and a chance to win. That's it. No UFA will care about leivo.

Yeah clearly these guys with options about to sign many years of their life away don't care how their GM treats his players. They're just robots programmed to want 2 things (like going to a team that has yet to win a playoff series and has minimal cap space "to win and get paid"), beep boop.

Capitals lost out on cups because no Ufa worth his salt wanted to come within 10 miles of McPhee during Ovechkin and Backstrom's primes after he screwed over Nylander Sr. Babcock already has a reputation as a clueless favorite playing dbag, no need to exacerbate it throughout the entire organization

 

[Lenerdosy]

While I agree with most of this I don’t agree that Vancouver “won” this trade. Until we see otherwise, Carcone is tracking to be roughly comparable to Leivo, except he’s younger and will be vying for the NHL roster in about 2-3 years, so effectively the Leafs just rewound the clock on a prospect that will probably peak at a 20 goal scoring 4th liner with upside.

Maybe 20 goals in the AHL..... I like your enthusiasm but after he was traded the local radio had the Comets radio guy on and he said he was unsure if he was ever going to crack an NHL roster on the regular but he could be great AHL center depth which is big if you want your team to be competitive for development of young prospects.

At the end of the day it was essentially a bottom 6 guy for an AHL center depth. Not like Leivo should be the be all end all difference for a cup contender anyways. Leivo has already been bumped down to 3rd line on the Canucks anyways.

 

[Rowlet]

Maybe 20 goals in the AHL..... I like your enthusiasm but after he was traded the local radio had the Comets radio guy on and he said he was unsure if he was ever going to crack an NHL roster on the regular but he could be great AHL center depth which is big if you want your team to be competitive for development of young prospects.

At the end of the day it was essentially a bottom 6 guy for an AHL center depth. Not like Leivo should be the be all end all difference for a cup contender anyways. Leivo has already been bumped down to 3rd line on the Canucks anyways.

Canucks cycle their wingers regularly. Horvat plays with any number of Motte, Schaller, Eriksson, Virtanen, Goldobin and Leivo every game, the only fwds who stick together are EP and Boeser, their third linemate is also juggled regularly however.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Good GMs don't do favors for players. Maybe our young GM is more concerned with being liked by the boys than helping his team win. That's not good.

I doubt that. We just have a GM with class.

 

[Metroid]

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[BlueBaron]

We have a better looking signed Sundin jersey in our halls already. But thanks

Good retort.

I have no problem saying Vancouver won this trade, they got a sure fire NHLer and we got a maybe. It did work for us though in solving a log jam and giving a shot to a player who had been very patient but really was never going to be more than a spare part for us.

I'm happy for Leivo and I'm glad Canuck fans seem to be happy with him. I would have preferred a pick but this works for us. No regrets.

 

[NoName]

Vancouver won this trade...

however, what TO did is a good reflection on upper management. Leivo is at minimum a good 4th line NHL calibre player.. who for whatever reason wasnt a fit. He was patient and GM brass rewarded him by sending him to a team that could use him..even if they lost the deal..

The fact they did this could weigh in on other young guys or UFA vets in the future.
Reputation is important.

Yeah, that sounds right. I don’t think Leivo will ever be top-6, but he could be at the top-end a solid third liner and at the very least looks like an NHL regular, and while I get why Toronto kept him on hand so long (injury depth) it did suck to see him wasting his prime years rotting in a press box because the Leafs didn’t have room for him but knew he wouldn’t clear waivers again.

There is only so long I think it was acceptable for Toronto to hold him off the ice and stunt his career, and yeah dragging on this pattern for another year or more would make them look like a crummy organization.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I got absolutely destroyed on reddit for saying Sosh will never become anything, and Connor Carrick will be a Euro star. Look at how things have turned out. This fan base falls in love with bums all the time.

Our other tendency is to package three of these lesser assets into a trade proposal for a good, top 4 defender. That hasn't worked out ever before either. Oh well.