Proposal: [TOR/LA]

[Brobust]

He's talking about possession numbers, but I think he's thinking of Muzzin because Martinez actually doesn't have very good possession numbers at all.

I wouldn't do this if I were the Leafs, they need a top pairing RD.

Martinez is a +50% corsi so I've read comments on here using that to say that he's a good defenceman.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

I wouldn't do this if I were the Leafs, they need a top pairing RD.

I'm always confused when folks say "top pairing RD". There might be only 10 in the NHL that are significantly better than the next group of 30. So are you saying unless you have one of these 10, a team can't win? By definition Zaitsev is a top pair RD, and for sure he is among the top 30 RD in NHL.

 

[Howie Hodge]

Buffalo offers you the injury lists Iron Man Zach Bogosian for JVR......

 

[zeke]

martinez is ok but not an upgrade over any of the leafs top 4.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Alec Martinez's numbers are grossly inflated by LA's system. Not a player the leafs want or need.

Lolwut. The Kings aren't exactly an offensive juggernaut. If he played for the Pens or another top offense then yeah. Your point makes no sense.

 

[Fishhead]

Clutchness is a bad indicator of player's value. It's why Bryan Bickell got loads of money.

Martinez gets more O-zone utilization and plays easier competition behind Doughty and yet he's a negative relative corsi player. I would lose faith in Toronto management if they target a player like him.

Being a negative RelCorsi player doesn't say much on the Kings, they have been flush with guys who are possession monsters in recent history. Also, the Martinez/Muzzin pairing often played the toughest matchups last year, not always Doughty's pairing as Forbort was brought in gradually.

I'm not saying Martinez is the best fit for Toronto, but he's anything but a poor possession guy. LA's system will help advanced stats a little but it's not going to take his 54 CF% over the last 4 years into the sub-50 range. Plus playoffs is where he really shines, the bigger the game the better he plays.

 

[Sol]

I was wondering how many more minutes would need to pass to see another JVR thread proposal.

 

[go4hockey]

A simple 1 for 1:

James Van Riemsdyk for Alec Martinez

Nope. We're not trading guys signed for UFA's we can't re-sign.

 

[go4hockey]

We don't want Martinez, rather ride out JVR for the year

JVR may not fit a need for L.A given he's a rental but Martinez does nothing for us. We'd only have interest in Muzzin if the cost was low, but I wouldn't say he's an ideal fit either.

This is silly. You really think you have 6 defenseman better than Amart. Now Muzzin would be the better piece but Amart would help more than you think.

 

[go4hockey]

Alec Martinez's numbers are grossly inflated by LA's system. Not a player the leafs want or need.

Just come on and say you don't watch the Kings cause what you posted here is not accurate at all he is actually a good 2 way defenseman who's numbers are actually hurt by the system if anything.

 

[Brock Radunske]

A simple 1 for 1:

James Van Riemsdyk for Alec Martinez

No thanks. While the Leafs need to upgrade their blueline, Martinez isn't the right player.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Why are fans trying to get 2nd pairing D traded to the Leafs. I swear half the Leaf fans don't even watch their own team.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

A simple 1 for 1:

James Van Riemsdyk for Alec Martinez

one year of JVR for 4 years of Martinez, And why would LA agree to that? LA will want at least a cost controlled player for Martinez and rightfully so.

 

[Brock Radunske]

one year of JVR for 4 years of Martinez, And why would LA agree to that? LA will want at least a cost controlled player for Martinez and rightfully so.

It makes the same amount of sense for Toronto as it does for LA.

Ie: no sense.

 

[johnjm22]

As a Kings fan, I think JVR is actually a great fit for us. But we can't give up assets for a soon to be UFA.

 

[rent free]

kings say no. they might consider jvr + bozak with the loss of carter and need for top-9 fwd, but they would probably want something on top of that because those two are pending ufa's. also, toronto's forward depth will be hit hardly if both jvr and bozak are traded. their fwd depth is why they are this good rn. who will replace them?

 

[Jared Dunn]

fearless predicition.

leafs sign JVR for 7 years @ 5.25 million per and roll with the NHLs top offense for at least 2 more years

I think Bozak and Komarov come back to Toronto on hometown deals, but not JVR

 

[Holymakinaw]

I think Bozak and Komarov come back to Toronto on hometown deals, but not JVR

I'm betting JVR wants to be part of a special team, and that's the Leafs now. He may very well sign a decent deal for the Leafs that still sets him up for years.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I'm betting JVR wants to be part of a special team, and that's the Leafs now. He may very well sign a decent deal for the Leafs that still sets him up for years.

It's definitely possible, I would just be surprised because he can cash in big time this summer.

I think Bozak is less attractive on the open market, and being the longest serving Leaf definitely has roots in the city. It also allows the Leafs to continue to play Willy and Matthews together for at least a few more years. And as for Komarov, he loves Toronto (believe he has stated he only wants to play there) and I genuinely can't see Babcock being okay with him walking

 

[Maukkis]

Kadri for Martinez would be much, much closer. A pending UFA does not fetch a top 4 defenseman locked up at a great rate.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Kadri for Martinez would be much, much closer. A pending UFA does not fetch a top 4 defenseman locked up at a great rate.

Leafs could do WAY better than Martinez if they traded Kadri

 

[Maukkis]

Leafs could do WAY better than Martinez if they traded Kadri

They are more than entitled to do that. The point still stands.

 

[tonellisghost]

martinez is ok and an an upgrade over any of the leafs top 4.

Fixed it for you. I have typos all of the time so I understand how you made yours. Funny thing is that left the way that you had it makes you look like you know nothing about how valuable Martinez is and how much of an exceptional dman he is. He has been a very valuable part of two Stanley Cups for Los Angeles and is more than solid in all 3 zones. While I believe that the Leafs have a couple of young D who should be able to eclipse Martinez in time they don't have any at his level today. Add in the "clutch" performances during the playoffs along with his experience and the Kings aren't going to part with him unless it is for an overpayment.

 

[ITM]

Kadri for Martinez would be much, much closer. A pending UFA does not fetch a top 4 defenseman locked up at a great rate.

In which reality is a 26 year old, second line centre, second in scoring on the highest scoring offence in the league whose coming off a 30 goal/60 point season, "much,much closer" to Martinez?

I think Toronto is in a position to acquire a player like Martinez closer to the deadline without moving premier pieces from it's starting roster. Wait until non-playoffs clubs emerge and respond accordingly by moving future assets like picks and prospects for supplemental pieces to shore up our D.

JVR was bad enough, but Nazem Kadri!?

 

[Maukkis]

In which reality is a 26 year old, second line centre, second in scoring on the highest scoring offence in the league whose coming off a 30 goal/60 point season, "much,much closer" to Martinez?

I think Toronto is in a position to acquire a player like Martinez closer to the deadline without moving premier pieces from it's starting roster. Wait until non-playoffs clubs emerge and respond accordingly by moving future assets like picks and prospects for supplemental pieces to shore up our D.

JVR was bad enough, but Nazem Kadri!?

In the one we both are living in. It is not a hard concept to grasp that acquiring talent is costly.