Dynheart
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- Aug 21, 2011
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And I know it's blasphemy, but I would argue that Brodeur has been overrated in his career as well. His main value comes from his unprecedented longevity and great career playoff performance rather than his peak abilities.
I know stats aren't everything. But people say Jimmy has been sheltered by playing behind Lidstrom which is why his stats are good. Why doesn't that hold true for Rinne in regards to Suter/Weber over the years?
I guess my question is, if Rinne is "elite" and Howard is just above average (according to most)...why have Rinne's abilities, playing in a defensive system that limits quality shots, and playing with 2 top 10 D-men not led to better goalie performance (stat wise)?
I'll take it a step further.
Why is Rinne on pace for having his worst season yet, right when they had a slight drop in defensive quality? Likewise, Howard is pretty much on par with every season, save one (sophomore year), with a drastic defensive drop?
1 legend is gone
1 great defensive defenseman (2 if you count Rafaski)
several new defensemen who joined; who suck.
2 rookies
a system that just wasn't cutting it for awhile (still a work in progress...and is barely cutting it now).
...yet another rookie otw (DeKeyser).
Stats may not tell the whole story. But it sure seems people like to pull the stat card to win an argument around here...when they can't/wont work? Then they pull the "stat's aren't the whole story" card.
It's safe to say that Howard has stole more games, and with a much worse defense (and a worse system) than Rinne has this year...yet...Rinne is elite! We can allow for bad seasons, sure. But it sure seems these elite guys get the benefit of the doubt (Rinne hasn't really proved anything other than playing behind a great defensive team...if people wanna blame Howards success on Lidstrom, then it's only fair) for some odd reason. Just look at Quick. Everyone is coming up with an excuse. Although, he's pretty much only had 1 good season.
Sad thing is, is that he'll stay "elite" for a long time, even if that turn's out to be a fluke season...just because he did it one time. Just once... I'll call this the Cam Ward effect.
Howard on the other hand can put up 92.0 2.20 stats every year on a ****y team, get called a top 20 goalie (on some lists around here he's ranked 25th!), has a year where he slips up and get's a 91.5 or something? This dude will get called out. Rinne and his 9.10 (could get worse...who knows)? The man is still elite!..and his team is in 10th, with the most games played in the conference!
Anyway...I still think Howard is underrated around here. Lundqvist didn't become elite until 2 years ago. Before that? He was mister choker who just put up good stats. Just goes to show how bi-polar hockey fans are. You can go from 20 to top 10 by just wining a cup (and he didn't even win a cup...people just started to notice his stats and go "oh, he's pretty good").
Orrr... Maybe there really isn't a dominant goal tender right now (Lundqvist is as close as we are going to get) and fans, and media, are just desperate to throw labels. Someone has to have the elite label...otherwise the world would implode. Had one elite season? He must be elite! Forget the guy who's putting up 92.0 2.25. stats every year... 9.09, 9.10, 9.01, 91.8, 92.9, 9.02 is much better! He's elite..
Sorry for the rant...It turned into more of the HFboards mindset after awhile. heh
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