Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Voting Results (Part 1)

[quoipourquoi]

Hey @quoipourquoi

Could you put a little 2-3 sentence blurb in the OP about the project so I can turn it into an article?

Probably hold off on that. This thread will be the round-by-round results. There will be a different thread that contains the list itself (as well as links to all of the associated threads) that may be better suited for the purpose of an article. I’ll give you a heads up tomorrow when I create it.

 

[Nalens Oga]

This might be useful for some of you, a list of my Top 1000 (Retired) players that has links to their Hockey-Reference pages so that you can quickly do comparisons if you want of players. I posted it elsewhere yesterday too so nice coincidence.

 

[GlitchMarner]

I am in favour of open balloting, but with strict limits.

- This should be someone that we know. Has posted a lot in the HOH or ATD section before. Big Phil, MS, Jack Slater, vadim sharifijanov, BillyShoe, pitseleh, Robert Gordon Orr, and so on. Those are some of the best candidates but I'm not saying we need to limit it to the best dozen or so. There are potentially a few hundred who'd be acceptable.

I think The Panther secretly voted and placed Gretzky seventh...

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The only thing Beliveau has on Gretzky is the Cups. #7 is indefensible.

And defensive play. And leadership. And physicality.

 

[VanIslander]

And defensive play. And leadership. And physicality.

So does Michael Peca.

 

[Sentinel]

And defensive play. And leadership. And physicality.

"Talents" vs. "accomplishments"

 

[sr edler]

Bure, Fedorov, Forsberg. I expect the reinforcements to arrive for those three players swiftly.

I dunno. If Bure even shows up here it will be really late in the project, and his most ardent supporters might not have enough energy or enthusiasm to fight tooth and nail for a 95th place, especially since they can’t even vote. So, I personally wouldn’t worry too much about it.

As for Fedorov and Forsberg, I think I participated in the center project and I can’t remember there was much controversy surrounding those two. I like them both though, but I’m not in this project to lobby for anyone in particular.

You know Sentinel likes Fedorov/Datsyuk, you know Ted likes his Lindros, you know Q’s got his own favorite players, you know pappy views Litzenberger with rose tinted glasses, and I might even have a favorite player myself, but most participants here are humble enough to admit if someone was better than their guy.

I think the most important thing for your list (outside of not doing outrageous rankings) is consistency in how you rank your players. If you have a common theme/line of argument.

 

[VMBM]

Wow, some people actually dared to vote against the "Big Four" consensus? Sacrilege.

Maurice Richard did surprisingly badly, especially compared to Beliveau. (I haven't had time to follow the discussion much, so maybe the answer to that lies there.)

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

Maurice Richard did surprisingly badly, especially compared to Beliveau. (I haven't had time to follow the discussion much, so maybe the answer to that lies there.)

The way some folks were talking about The Rocket in the preliminary threads, I had my concerns about whether or not he'd actually be a Round 1 nominee...

 

[JoseTheodore2002]

My apologies i unfortunately broke my cell phone and was unable to get online until today.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I dunno. If Bure even shows up here it will be really late in the project, and his most ardent supporters might not have enough energy or enthusiasm to fight tooth and nail for a 95th place, especially since they can’t even vote. So, I personally wouldn’t worry too much about it.

As for Fedorov and Forsberg, I think I participated in the center project and I can’t remember there was much controversy surrounding those two. I like them both though, but I’m not in this project to lobby for anyone in particular.

You know Sentinel likes Fedorov/Datsyuk, you know Ted likes his Lindros, you know Q’s got his own favorite players, you know pappy views Litzenberger with rose tinted glasses, and I might even have a favorite player myself, but most participants here are humble enough to admit if someone was better than their guy.

I think the most important thing for your list (outside of not doing outrageous rankings) is consistency in how you rank your players. If you have a common theme/line of argument.

im gonna be very disappointed when the round 1 lists come out if edler wasn’t yr #120.

 

[sr edler]

im gonna be very disappointed when the round 1 lists come out if edler wasn’t yr #120.

Alex Edler?

I didn’t even try.

 

[The Panther]

I think The Panther secretly voted and placed Gretzky seventh...

I know you're just being silly, but bear in mind (a) I didn't vote, of course, and (b) there are plenty of people on this forum who are adamant about Gretzky being #1, but I'm not one of them.

 

[GlitchMarner]

I know you're just being silly, but bear in mind (a) I didn't vote, of course, and (b) there are plenty of people on this forum who are adamant about Gretzky being #1, but I'm not one of them.

I was just messing around since you're an obvious fan of his (like daver is of Crosby's).

 

[VanIslander]

There's a 10%-20% chance that one will come next week.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Player	Ballots	Points	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	6th	7th	8th	9th	10th
Bobby Hull	30	257	12	5	5	6	1		1
Jean Beliveau	30	248	7	13	3	3		1	2	1
Patrick Roy	30	198	6	3	4	4	2	5		2	4
Doug Harvey	30	190	2	4	7	5	3		2	4	2	1
Maurice Richard	30	157	1	3	3	3	5	3	4		6	2
Dominik Hasek	30	134	1	1	4	1	4	3	3	6		7
Ray Bourque	30	128		1	2	2	3	4	6	5	5	2
Howie Morenz	30	127	1		1	1	5	6	4	5	4	3
Sidney Crosby	30	127			1	4	5	6	2	3	5	4
Eddie Shore	30	84				1	2	2	6	4	4	11

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Canadiens1958]

Vote splitting amongst the Canadiens candidates.

 

[MXD]

... I said, when voting, that Bourque, Morenz and Crosby was something of a blur. I think the results shows.

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Wow very happy to see the Rocket pass here because I honestly didn't think he would make it considering what some voters thought about him.

I'm really surprised Hasek didn't make it though.

 

[MXD]

... And I think this our first wacky vote distribution :

Dominik Hasek

30

134

1

1

4

1

4

3

3

6

7

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Only Shore has more last places : however, Hasek finished 6th

 

[Captain Bowie]

Surprised to see so many last place votes for Hasek. Didn't get that vibe at all from the week's discussion.

Have a feeling next week is going to be very modern-era heavy. I expect 3 players to be added to the discussion tomorrow morning. The other two I can see be a lot of different players. Likely an O6 goalie and a center that played during Beatlemania.

Though this does give a chance for Hasek and Crosby to be more closely compared, I went back and forth a bunch between those two for last vote.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

wow, nine deep and a big zero from the first half of the sport’s history

 

[Captain Bowie]

wow, nine deep and a big zero from the first half of the sport’s history

It's almost as if it takes some time for the sport to gain popularity, growth, and accessibility over time.

 

[VanIslander]

I wonder how many of the 6 guys who ranked Roy first also were among the 7 who ranked Hasek last.

I had them back to back and didn't hear 'gap' arguments. So much discussion made it apparent how competitive the two were when placed side by side.

Hasek would have been inducted if the 7 who ranked him last just put him in the middle of the pack, not even anywhere near the top.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I wonder how many of the 6 guys who ranked Roy first also were among the 7 who ranked Hasek last.

I had them back to back and didn't hear 'gap' arguments. So much discussion made it apparent how competitive the two were when placed side by side.

Hasek would have been inducted if the 7 who ranked him last just put him in the middle of the pack, not even anywhere near the top.

I have a feeling few, if any. I had Roy 3, Hasek 5. Any bigger gap than that felt wrong.