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Is this about current accomplishments or potential? If you're going by potential Umberger blows Armstrong away but by current accomplishments I'd give it to Armstrong.
The gap in potential is not nearly as big as some make it out to be.NOTENOUGHBREWER said:Is this about current accomplishments or potential? If you're going by potential Umberger blows Armstrong away but by current accomplishments I'd give it to Armstrong.
McDonald19 said:You don't have Gerber in there because of his age, yet you have Zidlicky in there who is a UFA this summer. Better to just stick to redoing the list with guys under 25 then.
Cup4Wings said:29). 5 Anaheim Stanislav Chistov L Omsk Avangard (Russia)
You're not getting it. Armstrong is outscoring Umberger solely because of Pittsburgh's horrible NHL forward depth. Switch their roles and Armstrong doesn't come close to what Umberger has done with such little ice time on third and fourth lines most of the year. Yes, Armstrong averages a point for every 22 minutes he plays, while Umberger averages a point every 25 minutes he plays. Which is more impressive considering the players both players play with? Niko Dimitrakos and Jeff Carter or Crosby and whoever? In three years this will look silly when Umberger is still in a top 6 role and Armstrong is in a bottom 6 role.Evilo said:Yes Armstrong has produced more, and he's a defensive first player.
You look at stats, but also the "prod" stat that shows that even pro-rated with their icetime, Armstrong simply outscores Umberger.
So out of their potential, Umberger is supposed to play better offense than Armstrong, while Colby is supposed to be better defensively than Umberger.
Well, Armstrong is playing better in both aspects so far.
He's a great PKer, he hustles and plays smart defense AND he outscores Umberger.
Ray Emery would definately go 1st round if it was done again, easily over Bochenski.Cup4Wings said:My redo/originally took/NHL Team/Name/Position/Old Club(League)
1). 1 Atlanta Ilya Kovalchuk L Moscow Spartak (Russia)
2). 2 Ottawa Jason Spezza C Windsor Spitfires (OHL)
3). 227 Colorado Marek Svatos R Kootenay Ice (WHL)
4). 12 Nashville Dan Hamhuis D Prince George Cougars (WHL)
5). 13 Edmonton Ales Hemsky L Hull Olympiques (QMJHL)
6). 16 Vancouver R.J. Umberger C Ohio State University (NCAA)
7). 232 Anaheim Martin Gerber G Langnau SC (SwissA)
8). 9 Chicago Tuomo Ruutu C Jokerit Helsinki (FNL)
9). 176 NY Rangers Marek Zidlicky D HIFK Helsinki (FNL)
10). 192 Dallas Jussi Jokinen C Karpat Juniors (Finland)
11). 4 Florida Stephen Weiss C Plymouth Whalers (OHL)
12). 253 St. Louis Petr Cajanek C Zlin ZPS HC (Czech)
13). 49 Los Angeles Mike Cammalleri C U. of Michigan (NCAA)
14). 23 Ottawa Tim Gleason D Windsor Spitfires (OHL)
15). 62 Detroit Igor Grigorenko R Tolyatti-2
16). 40 NY Rangers Fedor Tyutin D St. Petersburg SKA (Russia)
17). 6 Minnesota Mikko Koivu C TPS Turku (FNL)
18). 106 San Jose Christian Ehrhoff D Krefeld Penguins (DEL)
19). 7 Mtl. Canadiens Mike Komisarek D U. of Michigan (NCAA)
20). 25 Mtl. Canadiens Alexander Perezhogin R Omsk Avangard (Russia)
21). 14 Calgary Chuck Kobasew R Boston College (NCAA)
22). 24 Florida Lukas Krajicek D Peterborough Petes (OHL)
23). 214 Los Angeles Cristobal Huet G Lugano (SwissA)
24). 8 Columbus Pascal Leclaire G Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
25). 55 Buffalo Jason Pominville R Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL)
26). 21 Pittsburgh Colby Armstrong W Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
27). 32 Buffalo Derek Roy C Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
28). 19 Boston Shaone Morrisonn D Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
29). 5 Anaheim Stanislav Chistov L Omsk Avangard (Russia)
30). 223 Ottawa Brandon Bochenski W Lincoln Stars (USHL)
Honorable Mention.
17 Toronto Carlo Colaiacovo D Erie Otters (OHL)
99 Ottawa Ray Emery G Sault-Ste.-Marie Greyhounds (OHL)
134 Toronto Kyle Wellwood C Belleville Bulls (OHL)
I like Spezza first based on him being a complete player.
no name said:I like Spezza first based on him being a complete player.
Dallas Flames Fan said:is this a joke? where is your sarcastic emoticon?