audio:
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/marinaro-why-pk-subban-was-traded-1.518373 part 1
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/marinaro-no-doubt-pk-was-going-to-be-traded-1.518430 part 2
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/habs-lunch-pk-for-weber-1.518634 part 3
*Tony prefaces all this by saying he's not gonna get into a discussion about the trade, he wants us to know WHY PK got traded. Says Habs won the deal for the next 2'ish years, but lost the deal in the long-term.*
Important points:
-The Montreal Canadiens dont have to tell you everything, the Canadiens are a very classy organization. Theyre a very classy organization and chose to withhold information about PK and took the high road, i will tell you everything.
-PK was very good to me, but the PK Subban i knew and the PK Subban described by his past and present teammates is very different from the one i know
-i was told of missing curfew (and this was an 11 PM curfew), missing team meetings, things that were said in the room that really bothered his teammates
-I was told this story by multiple sources, you know when players hang out in the locker room.. they talk together about stuff. At 1 point Doughty's name came up.. and PK supposedly said something to the effect of "he'll win the Norris, i mean look who he plays with, look who i play with". *********
-i heard it from a couple of players and they said it pretty much went down that way, it could of been a joke but it bothered enough of his teammates to tell me about it
-Tuesday Sept 15, 2015, PK Subban announces his donation to MTL's children hospital. Announcement during camp, i know alot of ppl in PK's entourage were upset that he wasnt name captain a few days later
-None of his teammates were in attendance during his MTL Hospital presser, i found it odd that they weren't there
-The donation wasnt made to be MTL's captain, it was made to help the children, but you know what happened, people called in and said PK has to be captain of the Habs
-A former player told me PK will never be captain of MTL
-Do you remember when Bergevin was asked if the captaincy vote was close, MB said lets put it this way: "The vote wasnt even close", they wanted to make it clear to Subban that the vote wasnt close
-PK Subban was the only person who didn't attend the Habs's Christmas party, now i don't know where PK was, he might have been at the Children's hospital, which would have been great.. but it bothered his teammates (insinuating the players knew what he was doing) enough to tell me about it
-at the end of MTL-Pens game, PK said his famous statement "i couldnt give a **** if its my 2nd goal, its not my ****ing job to score goals", he was standing next to Pacioretty, you saw Pacioretty's reaction *plays the Pacioretty interview where PK was clearly heard in the background* *********
-MTL-COL game, Therrien said "it was an individual mistake that cost us the game" (when Subban fell and said he blew a tire), he wanted the media to know it was PK's fault, i remember blasting Therrien for that, he told the french media he said it was an "individualistic play".
-when he got injured i was told he wanted to play Saturday vs Wild but then he went on to miss the rest of the year, Habs lost 5-0 to Ottawa.. but we had lots of messages that he was seen going into town the night we lost vs Ottawa.
-afterwards we were watching PK practice in Brossard w/ the team, we said he looked fantastic and that he'd enter the lineup (best player on the ice). March 24 Habs played Wings, they lost 3-4. Next day we come in and saw messages, PK was seen going in town, we said he's allowed to go into town, but you know the optics.. it gets the rumor mill going, prob a better idea if he stays home. If he stays home we dont get those messages because people were saying "he doesnt look injured".
-At the end of the year, PK Subban was asked of the prospect of Therrien returning as the coach, i thought his answer was really really weird: "Since i've been in the league, it's a result based league.. etc. I'm just a hockey player, ultimately i haven't hear MB's year end presser, we'll see what happens"
-He was asked about relationship with Therrien, never answered it. He was asked if Therrien was coming back, he said "we'll see what happens".
-Tony plays his question to MB when Subban didn't endorse his coach (he basically re-states Subban's statement to MB), MB says "job of coach is not to be loved by 23 players, its to be respected, it's called tough love, i'm not saying PK does like Mike, but i know under Therrien PK progressed into a very fine dman"
-I got a call from NHL executive to tell him everything he knows about Subban (doesnt name who). We had a chat, once i hung up the phone, i knew he was available and that there was a strong possibility he'd get traded.
-Subban asked at NHL award gala about MTL's season *plays interview* "i didnt think we did enough as an organization to make the playoffs without Price etc... but we have to be better from the TOP OF THE ORGANIZATION TO THE BOTTOM"
-Best thing about Subban is that he's sincere, he says what's on his mind.. but i know how MTL's org. thinks, how they operate, they're an old fashioned org. Theyre not crazy about players saying the org. didnt do enough to get us into the playoffs publically (Tony says he agrees with the statement tho), but some truths are better left unsaid. *********
-Biggest mistake they made with PK (according to a former teammate): the minute he did something wrong (missed a curfew etc.), you have to tell members of the media about it, he broke the rules, he has to miss a game etc., they didnt. This was this former players opinion, this is where he says MTL messed up with PK (talks about Trotz and Ovie situation, when Trotz made it public and Ovie got scratched), Habs stayed quiet about PK, that was their mistake, needed to make public aware of him breaking rules, if he keeps it up its on him. *********
-PK Subban not voted for King Clancy by his teammates after his massive pledge to the Children's Hospital, says it meant something, you didnt want to believe it, it meant something. Locker room atmosphere wasnt good w/ Subban.
-When Habs got Kirk Muller (player's coach, knows our roster and Subban VERY well), if i was a betting man, Muller picked up the phone, and asked the players "whats going on, is this thing salvageable". It wouldn't surprise me if they made the move after players weren't ok with the situation. MB said the team is better but he didn't say how (insinuating they'd have better locker room chemistry).
-MB when asked about the trade said he wanted to make the team better, "we feel we're a better but i'll leave this discussion internally" was MB's statement, he's saying the players think the team's atmosphere will be better. I'm willing to bet Price was asked his opinion, Patches, Gallagher, Plek etc. Max and PK are like oil and water, that's a fact, players won't tell you that stuff on the record. MB had an exit interview with Patch, Gallagher, Patches, Gally and PK Subban got traded. Muller had talks with core players and PK got traded. *********
-Know who Price trains with all summer to get ready for the NHL? He trains with Shea Weber. *********
-Bergevin waited till yesterday to see if he got a better deal than Weber, but i can tell you that EDM didnt want to know anything about Drai + 4th and Hall + 4th for PK. So they gave themselves some time, they tried to create a bidding war, but the reason they traded him before his NTC kicked in was because they were worried about how bad things could be going forward in the locker room and with everything that comes with PK Subban, thats the truth.
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Quick summary of everything:
His teammates and the organization believed that PK thought he was bigger than the team, he was dealt before his NTC kicked in and was put in a position of power (according to Tony Marinaro of course, whether or not you believe him is up to you).
I've listened to Tony for a long long time, my personal opinion is that he's not the type of person to make up these type of things over such an important matter, he has alot of sources within the team (players). He wouldn't risk ruining his relationship with them if it wasn't true.
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/marinaro-why-pk-subban-was-traded-1.518373 part 1
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/marinaro-no-doubt-pk-was-going-to-be-traded-1.518430 part 2
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/habs-lunch-pk-for-weber-1.518634 part 3
*Tony prefaces all this by saying he's not gonna get into a discussion about the trade, he wants us to know WHY PK got traded. Says Habs won the deal for the next 2'ish years, but lost the deal in the long-term.*
Important points:
-The Montreal Canadiens dont have to tell you everything, the Canadiens are a very classy organization. Theyre a very classy organization and chose to withhold information about PK and took the high road, i will tell you everything.
-PK was very good to me, but the PK Subban i knew and the PK Subban described by his past and present teammates is very different from the one i know
-i was told of missing curfew (and this was an 11 PM curfew), missing team meetings, things that were said in the room that really bothered his teammates
-I was told this story by multiple sources, you know when players hang out in the locker room.. they talk together about stuff. At 1 point Doughty's name came up.. and PK supposedly said something to the effect of "he'll win the Norris, i mean look who he plays with, look who i play with". *********
-i heard it from a couple of players and they said it pretty much went down that way, it could of been a joke but it bothered enough of his teammates to tell me about it
-Tuesday Sept 15, 2015, PK Subban announces his donation to MTL's children hospital. Announcement during camp, i know alot of ppl in PK's entourage were upset that he wasnt name captain a few days later
-None of his teammates were in attendance during his MTL Hospital presser, i found it odd that they weren't there
-The donation wasnt made to be MTL's captain, it was made to help the children, but you know what happened, people called in and said PK has to be captain of the Habs
-A former player told me PK will never be captain of MTL
-Do you remember when Bergevin was asked if the captaincy vote was close, MB said lets put it this way: "The vote wasnt even close", they wanted to make it clear to Subban that the vote wasnt close
-PK Subban was the only person who didn't attend the Habs's Christmas party, now i don't know where PK was, he might have been at the Children's hospital, which would have been great.. but it bothered his teammates (insinuating the players knew what he was doing) enough to tell me about it
-at the end of MTL-Pens game, PK said his famous statement "i couldnt give a **** if its my 2nd goal, its not my ****ing job to score goals", he was standing next to Pacioretty, you saw Pacioretty's reaction *plays the Pacioretty interview where PK was clearly heard in the background* *********
-MTL-COL game, Therrien said "it was an individual mistake that cost us the game" (when Subban fell and said he blew a tire), he wanted the media to know it was PK's fault, i remember blasting Therrien for that, he told the french media he said it was an "individualistic play".
-when he got injured i was told he wanted to play Saturday vs Wild but then he went on to miss the rest of the year, Habs lost 5-0 to Ottawa.. but we had lots of messages that he was seen going into town the night we lost vs Ottawa.
-afterwards we were watching PK practice in Brossard w/ the team, we said he looked fantastic and that he'd enter the lineup (best player on the ice). March 24 Habs played Wings, they lost 3-4. Next day we come in and saw messages, PK was seen going in town, we said he's allowed to go into town, but you know the optics.. it gets the rumor mill going, prob a better idea if he stays home. If he stays home we dont get those messages because people were saying "he doesnt look injured".
-At the end of the year, PK Subban was asked of the prospect of Therrien returning as the coach, i thought his answer was really really weird: "Since i've been in the league, it's a result based league.. etc. I'm just a hockey player, ultimately i haven't hear MB's year end presser, we'll see what happens"
-He was asked about relationship with Therrien, never answered it. He was asked if Therrien was coming back, he said "we'll see what happens".
-Tony plays his question to MB when Subban didn't endorse his coach (he basically re-states Subban's statement to MB), MB says "job of coach is not to be loved by 23 players, its to be respected, it's called tough love, i'm not saying PK does like Mike, but i know under Therrien PK progressed into a very fine dman"
-I got a call from NHL executive to tell him everything he knows about Subban (doesnt name who). We had a chat, once i hung up the phone, i knew he was available and that there was a strong possibility he'd get traded.
-Subban asked at NHL award gala about MTL's season *plays interview* "i didnt think we did enough as an organization to make the playoffs without Price etc... but we have to be better from the TOP OF THE ORGANIZATION TO THE BOTTOM"
-Best thing about Subban is that he's sincere, he says what's on his mind.. but i know how MTL's org. thinks, how they operate, they're an old fashioned org. Theyre not crazy about players saying the org. didnt do enough to get us into the playoffs publically (Tony says he agrees with the statement tho), but some truths are better left unsaid. *********
-Biggest mistake they made with PK (according to a former teammate): the minute he did something wrong (missed a curfew etc.), you have to tell members of the media about it, he broke the rules, he has to miss a game etc., they didnt. This was this former players opinion, this is where he says MTL messed up with PK (talks about Trotz and Ovie situation, when Trotz made it public and Ovie got scratched), Habs stayed quiet about PK, that was their mistake, needed to make public aware of him breaking rules, if he keeps it up its on him. *********
-PK Subban not voted for King Clancy by his teammates after his massive pledge to the Children's Hospital, says it meant something, you didnt want to believe it, it meant something. Locker room atmosphere wasnt good w/ Subban.
-When Habs got Kirk Muller (player's coach, knows our roster and Subban VERY well), if i was a betting man, Muller picked up the phone, and asked the players "whats going on, is this thing salvageable". It wouldn't surprise me if they made the move after players weren't ok with the situation. MB said the team is better but he didn't say how (insinuating they'd have better locker room chemistry).
-MB when asked about the trade said he wanted to make the team better, "we feel we're a better but i'll leave this discussion internally" was MB's statement, he's saying the players think the team's atmosphere will be better. I'm willing to bet Price was asked his opinion, Patches, Gallagher, Plek etc. Max and PK are like oil and water, that's a fact, players won't tell you that stuff on the record. MB had an exit interview with Patch, Gallagher, Patches, Gally and PK Subban got traded. Muller had talks with core players and PK got traded. *********
-Know who Price trains with all summer to get ready for the NHL? He trains with Shea Weber. *********
-Bergevin waited till yesterday to see if he got a better deal than Weber, but i can tell you that EDM didnt want to know anything about Drai + 4th and Hall + 4th for PK. So they gave themselves some time, they tried to create a bidding war, but the reason they traded him before his NTC kicked in was because they were worried about how bad things could be going forward in the locker room and with everything that comes with PK Subban, thats the truth.
______________
Quick summary of everything:
His teammates and the organization believed that PK thought he was bigger than the team, he was dealt before his NTC kicked in and was put in a position of power (according to Tony Marinaro of course, whether or not you believe him is up to you).
I've listened to Tony for a long long time, my personal opinion is that he's not the type of person to make up these type of things over such an important matter, he has alot of sources within the team (players). He wouldn't risk ruining his relationship with them if it wasn't true.
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