Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo (MOD WARNINGS: Post #12/#900)

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Literally not a single source has said that... that’s all rumors by people on here. Quinn used coach speak to avoid a question

You've got your head planted firmly in the sand if you don't think some sort of attitude problem is holding DeAngelo back.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

To be fair, there was no reference to effort. It might simply be that DeAngelo is failing to execute on more approach and system oriented things Quinn is preaching. A player can work hard and still perform poorly.

Could be. It's clearly some sort of attitude problem, and it's friggin bizarre that DeAngelo can't seem to fix whatever it is.

 

[Tawnos]

Could be. It's clearly some sort of attitude problem, and it's friggin bizarre that DeAngelo can't seem to fix whatever it is.

It does seem bizarre. I also think that if he’s been working hard and hasn’t had any attitude issues, Quinn would probably have rewarded him with another game in there somewhere, even if he was struggling with execution.

I’m just saying that there’s room for interpretation in his comment.

 

[nyr2k2]

To be fair, there was no reference to effort. It might simply be that DeAngelo is failing to execute on more approach and system oriented things Quinn is preaching. A player can work hard and still perform poorly.

Absolutely true. However, there are other guys clearly struggling with execution in the new system. I love Pionk but he's a mess sometimes. So why is ADA the only one who sits for seven straight?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It does seem bizarre. I also think that if he’s been working hard and hasn’t had any attitude issues, Quinn would probably have rewarded him with another game in there somewhere, even if he was struggling with execution.

I’m just saying that there’s room for interpretation in his comment.

It could also be beyond effort/execution in practice. Lets be honest here, the kid has a checkered history of being a jerk.

 

[offdacrossbar]

i believe hes got an attitude and he may be one of those spoiled kids who says stuff under his breath or shows a measure of entitlement or whatever. hockey comes easy to him, being a clown may come easier.

its clearly something that has held him back in the past and continues today. skill wise hes solid and ive defended him here many times before but this is continuing to be a problem and eventually the light has to shine directly on him.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

That’s right guys judge a 22 yr old off the attitude he had as a teenager... people grow and mature. You can’t just say he has an attitude problem because he was cocky when he was 17-18 tearing up juniors and becoming a first round draft pick

 

[Off Sides]

It could also be beyond effort/execution in practice. Lets be honest here, the kid has a checkered history of being a jerk.

If he is a jerk the Rangers may want to learn how to deal with it and at least figure out a way to turn him into some sort of asset.

Are they planning to go through a whole rebuild without again running into personality conflicts?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Apparently when Quinn said that ADA knows what he has to do, he was referring to DeAngelo pulling a Tonya Harding on Staal.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Apparently when Quinn said that ADA knows what he has to do, he was referring to DeAngelo pulling a Tonya Harding on Staal.

His name is Anthony DeAngelo, and he hangs out with someone named Vinni Letierri.... If there were a guy to do it on the team.

 

[will1066]

Apparently when Quinn said that ADA knows what he has to do, he was referring to DeAngelo pulling a Tonya Harding on Staal.

I can see Staal crying "WHY?! WHY?!!!"

 

[CasusBelli]

Absolutely true. However, there are other guys clearly struggling with execution in the new system. I love Pionk but he's a mess sometimes. So why is ADA the only one who sits for seven straight?

Perhaps it's something as simple as humility. I don't know the guy, but Quinn appears to value character and discipline, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sit a guy who perhaps has too much "swag" or doesn't mold himself to the new culture.

But, again, that's just speculation on my part.

 

[will1066]

That’s right guys judge a 22 yr old off the attitude he had as a teenager... people grow and mature. You can’t just say he has an attitude problem because he was cocky when he was 17-18 tearing up juniors and becoming a first round draft pick

Practically speaking, he needs to get right with Quinn fast if he's going to play hockey for the New York Rongos.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I can see Staal crying "WHY?! WHY?!!!"

thats funny because when i see him playing every single game i say the exact same thing....

 

[nyr2k2]

That’s right guys judge a 22 yr old off the attitude he had as a teenager... people grow and mature. You can’t just say he has an attitude problem because he was cocky when he was 17-18 tearing up juniors and becoming a first round draft pick

I mean he was benched a few times in Syracuse and also suspended for trying to swat the referee's hands off of him. Those wouldn't be big things on their own but it's a perpetuation of a pattern going back to the stuff you mentioned in Junior.

The reality is we have a bunch of guys struggling to adapt to a new coach and system and none of them get benched for two and a half weeks consecitico or whatever it is. Why is that? The guys that play are making a lot of mistakes but they still play, so it seems unlikely he's sitting just because his defense sucks. What is it? I know you offered the breakfast club scenario, but the reality is obviously something else.

 

[Crease]

That’s right guys judge a 22 yr old off the attitude he had as a teenager... people grow and mature. You can’t just say he has an attitude problem because he was cocky when he was 17-18 tearing up juniors and becoming a first round draft pick

No one know with certainty what's going on with ADA right now but it's okay to acknowledge that the most likely explanation is that it's character-related. He's got a history of conduct (yes some kids grow up but others don't), he's been moved multiple times despite pedigree, and he's 0 for 2 with Rangers coaches. Make no mistake, I'm rooting for the kid, but I haven't seen much reason to believe he's getting the shaft here.

 

[will1066]

thats funny because when i see him playing every single game i say the exact same thing....

Haha. Well played.

 

[CasusBelli]

His name is Anthony DeAngelo, and he hangs out with someone named Vinni Letierri.... If there were a guy to do it on the team.

Maybe we can get Joe Pesci to join the team and complete "La Connessione Italiana". God knows, even at his age, every team would be terrified to play us.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

thats funny because when i see him playing every single game i say the exact same thing....

Dammit you beat me to it.

 

[will1066]

Perhaps it's something as simple as humility. I don't know the guy, but Quinn appears to value character and discipline, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sit a guy who perhaps has too much "swag" or doesn't mold himself to the new culture.

But, again, that's just speculation on my part.

He's a bit of a hothead with a quick-trigger temper on the ice.
He probably carries himself that way in practice.
Quinn is a big proponent of evaluating players by the way they practice.
Extrapolate.

 

[CasusBelli]

He's a bit of a hothead with a quick-trigger temper on the ice.
He probably carries himself that way in practice.
Quinn is a big proponent of evaluating players by the way they practice.
Extrapolate.

Then we have our answer.

 

[Kovalev27]

Too much skill needs more character to play for us. We’ve always got to have nice guys on our team.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I mean he was benched a few times in Syracuse and also suspended for trying to swat the referee's hands off of him. Those wouldn't be big things on their own but it's a perpetuation of a pattern going back to the stuff you mentioned in Junior.

The reality is we have a bunch of guys struggling to adapt to a new coach and system and none of them get benched for two and a half weeks consecitico or whatever it is. Why is that? The guys that play are making a lot of mistakes but they still play, so it seems unlikely he's sitting just because his defense sucks. What is it? I know you offered the breakfast club scenario, but the reality is obviously something else.

exactly. its a discipline thing. its got to be. hes a gambler on the ice and a risk taker with his game and a bit of a character off of it. no problem, phil kessel is different, theres room for different, but theres no wiggle room for a bad attitude.

unfortunately, he could help us but again, the tank is real and jack hughes is in our sites.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Do we have any evidence of these attitude issues?

I know practice is important and everything, but at what point does in game performance take the upper hand? Because there is a guy who has played every game on D that has been our worst player.

 

[CasusBelli]

Do we have any evidence of these attitude issues?

I know practice is important and everything, but at what point does in game performance take the upper hand? Because there is a guy who has played every game on D that has been our worst player.

Like I've said: our coaching staff interacts with these guys daily. Our GM and others before him have likely seen something special in the player. Several coaching staffs have given him chances. He's clearly talented and (at least in the games I've seen) doesn't commit egregious mistakes. Something else is amiss.