Toews or Marian Hossa?

[blundluntman]

The "you can't build around a winger" argument has been debunked. Give me Hossa.

 

[JaegerDice]

The "you can't build around a winger" argument has been debunked. Give me Hossa.

How has it been debunked?

By WSH's cup win?

It took WSH over a decade to build around literally the best winger in the league and one of the best wingers of all time, and at the end of the day they still required two elite centers, one of which was the leading scorer for their team in the playoffs...

 

[Felidae]

LOL. Let's see Toews PPG avg once he turns 37.

It's already dipped to .74Ptspg the last 3 years.

And better defensively???

I don't see how this is arguable.

Toews.

Selke finishes: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

Takeaways/giveaways
626/292

Hossa

Selke finishes: 5, 7, 10 (With multiple selke finishes outside the top ten)

Takeaways/giveaways
577/278

 

[Rolo]

C

I don't see how this is arguable.

Toews.

Selke finishes: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

Takeaways/giveaways
626/292

Hossa

Selke finishes: 5, 7, 10 (With multiple selke finishes outside the top ten)

Takeaways/giveaways
577/278

Centers have a huge bias in voting.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

C

Centers have a huge bias in voting.

It's almost like the position is inherently more defensive in nature...Hossa was great without the pill and a thief on the backcheck but Toews did the yeomans work in the corners, down low and in front of the cage. It's really not close as to who was more impactful on that end of the ice.

 

[bathdog]

Hossa was a better player but was more of a supporting guy who couldn't do it in the playoffs as the main guy with Ottawa

While it's true about Hossa, I think perception may be skewed a bit by Toews always being on a deep team and also in his prime, and Hossa managing to switch between SCF losers in 08/09.

Toews had 5 runs where he played 10 games or more, he had 4 top3, and 1 1st place scoring finish on his own team. 0 of Toews runs were at age 30 or older.
Hossa had 8 runs where he played 10 games or more, he had 4 top3, and 1 1st place scoring finish on his own team. 5 of Hossa runs were at age 30 or older.

PP Opportunites weren't even close. I'm not sure why or how scoring was up this year but it was. Thrashers had 529 PP chances in 06 vs 260 for The Blackhawks this year. It goes to show you it's still not really comparable. And it's no coincidence Hossa had career years in 06 and 07 by the numbers.

True, obviously Hossa's numbers benefit from the higher scoring environment during these two seasons, but it's still worth noting that his ES PPG during both of these seasons is higher than anything Toews has posted over a season close to 82 games.

 

[COHawk]

LOL. Let's see Toews PPG avg once he turns 37.

It's already dipped to .74Ptspg the last 3 years.

And better defensively???

Yes. Hossa was one of the best defensive wingers in the game. Meanwhile Toews was one of the best defensive centers in the game. Toews has the slight edge but Hoss was no slouch by any means.

 

[JaegerDice]

C

Centers have a huge bias in voting.

People on this forum can never make up their mind over whether individual awards are flawed due to voting practices and questionable intelligence from the voters, or if they're immutable proof of one player's superiority over another.

 

[Iapyi]

Toews without having to even think about it.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

People on this forum can never make up their mind over whether individual awards are flawed due to voting practices and questionable intelligence from the voters, or if they're immutable proof of one player's superiority over another.

Sure they can. It's whichever one supports the argument they are making at that time.