kihekah19*
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Too often they have no where to go with the puck because the support is not there.
Tippett's Performance as Head Coach
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Too often they have no where to go with the puck because the support is not there.
True, but OEL, Gogo and Chychrun are not having anywhere near the same problem.
ctwin made a good post in a different thread but it fits better here
Coyotes vs Cup Winners
Giveaway/Takeaway rank:
29th 19th SC(20th) (16th)
25th 19th SC(18th) (11th)
28th 21st SC(3rd) (30th)
28th 16th SC(20th) (1st)
25th 24th SC(6th) (28th)
25th 26th SC(24th) (30th)
29th 27th SC(24th) (5th)
There's only one team that has won a cup with a conservatism and adherence to a system that parallels the Coyotes since Tippett came to Arizona. I left the names off on purpose. Think about who it might be, and how that team was put together.
It's Boston. Do the Coyotes look like the Chara/Thomas era Bruins?
Tippett preaches puck security above all else, which some will see as a positive. But you end up not using the middle of the ice, and the team becomes extremely predictable. When you get stapled to the bench because you turned the puck over, that puts a lid on creativity and improvised play. Tippett hasn't changed his system one bit if you look at the remarkable consistency in the numbers. Playoffs or not, the Coyotes were always bottom 5 in turnovers. Universally good thing, right? Well, no. Two teams won the cup by being top 10 in giveaways. A lot of teams play with more pressure and create more turnovers. In other words; more freedom and/or pressure.
What you're basically looking at is good evidence that Tippett teaches people to sit in his system and do literally nothing else, because that would weaken the system! Except the system has had worse returns every year. Teams are now closely marking and closing down what few creative players the Coyotes have like OEL.
Now, you can put talented individual players into the system and have them succeed. Some of them can even push the pace, giving the illusion of a good counter-attacking team. But you're missing out on what you can't see, and that is the Coyotes don't have to be so passive and so rigid.
There's also something else that is pretty weird...
Blues under Hitchcock:
Giveaway/Takeaway
30th 21st
29th 19th
30th 16th
30th 15th
30th 13th
Looks awfully familiar, doesn't it? What is the difference? Well, for starters, Hitchcock employs a much more aggressive forecheck and generally believes in constant pressure, not letting the other team come to you.
Coyotes vs Blues
Shots Against Per Game Average(lower is better):
6th vs 15th (Devils 23rd)
4th vs 29th
8th vs 28th
10th vs 29th
3rd vs 30th (Coyotes make WCF)
3rd vs NA
You don't need some sort of top 5 roster to limit shots either, as Hynes demonstrated with the Devils last year.
tl;dr You aren't imagining things. Dave Tippett is a super passive coach that doesn't adapt to anything.
Someone with more time/interest/patience could probably cross reference how many times a coach has played against an AZ Tippett team and what their record is. I don't think it's a coincidence that the two wins the Coyotes have came against a team coached by Dave Hakstol, and even then, they barely won.
Coyotes vs Cup Winners
Giveaway/Takeaway rank:
29th 19th SC(20th) (16th)
25th 19th SC(18th) (11th)
28th 21st SC(3rd) (30th)
28th 16th SC(20th) (1st)
25th 24th SC(6th) (28th)
25th 26th SC(24th) (30th)
29th 27th SC(24th) (5th)
There's only one team that has won a cup with a conservatism and adherence to a system that parallels the Coyotes since Tippett came to Arizona. I left the names off on purpose. Think about who it might be, and how that team was put together.
It's Boston. Do the Coyotes look like the Chara/Thomas era Bruins?
Tippett preaches puck security above all else, which some will see as a positive. But you end up not using the middle of the ice, and the team becomes extremely predictable. When you get stapled to the bench because you turned the puck over, that puts a lid on creativity and improvised play. Tippett hasn't changed his system one bit if you look at the remarkable consistency in the numbers. Playoffs or not, the Coyotes were always bottom 5 in turnovers. Universally good thing, right? Well, no. Two teams won the cup by being top 10 in giveaways. A lot of teams play with more pressure and create more turnovers. In other words; more freedom and/or pressure.
What you're basically looking at is good evidence that Tippett teaches people to sit in his system and do literally nothing else, because that would weaken the system! Except the system has had worse returns every year. Teams are now closely marking and closing down what few creative players the Coyotes have like OEL.
Now, you can put talented individual players into the system and have them succeed. Some of them can even push the pace, giving the illusion of a good counter-attacking team. But you're missing out on what you can't see, and that is the Coyotes don't have to be so passive and so rigid.
There's also something else that is pretty weird...
Blues under Hitchcock:
Giveaway/Takeaway
30th 21st
29th 19th
30th 16th
30th 15th
30th 13th
Looks awfully familiar, doesn't it? What is the difference? Well, for starters, Hitchcock employs a much more aggressive forecheck and generally believes in constant pressure, not letting the other team come to you.
Coyotes vs Blues
Shots Against Per Game Average(lower is better):
6th vs 15th (Devils 23rd)
4th vs 29th
8th vs 28th
10th vs 29th
3rd vs 30th (Coyotes make WCF)
3rd vs NA
You don't need some sort of top 5 roster to limit shots either, as Hynes demonstrated with the Devils last year.
tl;dr You aren't imagining things. Dave Tippett is a super passive coach that doesn't adapt to anything.
Someone with more time/interest/patience could probably cross reference how many times a coach has played against an AZ Tippett team and what their record is. I don't think it's a coincidence that the two wins the Coyotes have came against a team coached by Dave Hakstol, and even then, they barely won.
kihekah19*
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Xx has makes an interesting argument. I'm not certain it's valid, but interesting nonetheless.
It seems he's basically stating we don't utilize the center of the ice often enough. First we would need a comparison of that claim vs all othe NHL teams, broken down into something like attempts and minutes.
From there we would need to analyze individual player stats to consider their propensity of give aways and also the propensity of the opponent for take aways.
Wait a minute...... Perhaps this is just what DT does as he's an analytics kind of guy. Perhaps stats are for losers after all.
It seems he's basically stating we don't utilize the center of the ice often enough. First we would need a comparison of that claim vs all othe NHL teams, broken down into something like attempts and minutes.
From there we would need to analyze individual player stats to consider their propensity of give aways and also the propensity of the opponent for take aways.
Wait a minute...... Perhaps this is just what DT does as he's an analytics kind of guy. Perhaps stats are for losers after all.
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Perhaps this is just what DT does as he's an analytics kind of guy. Perhaps stats are for losers after all.
With only 119 wins since the conclusion of the 2011-2012 season, 0 playoff games (nevermind playoff wins), and a 39% win percentage, it would appear that, yes, by any real measurement, Tippalytics are, indeed, for losers given any history that doesn't date back from before the end of the Mayan Calendar, Mitt Romney's Republican nomination, the London Olympic games, the release of Obama's long-form birth certificate, Roger Clemens perjury hearings, the new CBA... All more recent than Tippalytics resulting in a winning season...
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Well, for what it's worth, everyone's saying the Arizona Cardinals are sucking wind because of execution rather than the coach so maybe it's just something in the Valley water supply.
Well, for what it's worth, everyone's saying the Arizona Cardinals are sucking wind because of execution rather than the coach so maybe it's just something in the Valley water supply.
I was always told "it's the heat".
