Time Machine Travel Question?
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MtlPenFan
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If you want a more responsive thread, change that to 2011-2012 after the Flyers series.
2010-2011 was hard to gauge with both Crosby and Malkin injured.
deczola
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I'll give my #1 mistake:
Paul Martin for 5 years at 5 million per year.
When he signed, many top NHL talking heads were saying that Martin will elevate his game and with the talented Penguins, he would quickly become a top performer getting top PP time. Expectations by many was a HUGE increase in point production into 8 - 10 goal and 30 - 40 assist seasons. Not only did his offensive game not improve it decreased significantly. His play was so bad, I think he got knocked down to 6th in the depth chart the first year behind Lovejoy and Brian Strait! His defensive play was so bad at times, he was borderline unplayable. He himself said he was embarrassed on how he played. He plays solid D when healthy but he's often out or has a nagging injury. He does eat up a lot of minutes on D and can shutdown players on one on one situations and penalty kill but is also prone to bad mental mistakes on the ice that should not be in someone's game with the amount of hockey he played in his career. We signed him to be elite and he is not.
Paul Martin for 5 years at 5 million per year.
When he signed, many top NHL talking heads were saying that Martin will elevate his game and with the talented Penguins, he would quickly become a top performer getting top PP time. Expectations by many was a HUGE increase in point production into 8 - 10 goal and 30 - 40 assist seasons. Not only did his offensive game not improve it decreased significantly. His play was so bad, I think he got knocked down to 6th in the depth chart the first year behind Lovejoy and Brian Strait! His defensive play was so bad at times, he was borderline unplayable. He himself said he was embarrassed on how he played. He plays solid D when healthy but he's often out or has a nagging injury. He does eat up a lot of minutes on D and can shutdown players on one on one situations and penalty kill but is also prone to bad mental mistakes on the ice that should not be in someone's game with the amount of hockey he played in his career. We signed him to be elite and he is not.
WayneSid9987
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I hated the Martin/Michaluk signings at the time. Alot of money for 2 very soft D-Men but Shero needed to have them all!
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Winger for Hire
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Whatever moves would allow them to have the 4th line be Scott-Godard-MacIntyre for at least 3 years.
Unintended benefit of this is that Adams can easily get bumped to the 3rd line.
Unintended benefit of this is that Adams can easily get bumped to the 3rd line.
Black Label
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If you seriously want to go back and change the fortunes of this team, all you need to two stops.
Stop #1- Go to May 2010 and convince Montreal that Game 1 of the EC Semis was legit and pull Halak for the rest of the series. Or you could just go Tanya Harding on him and remove him completely from the equation.
Stop #2- Go to Feb 11th, 2011 and just completely wipe out the "Brawl on the Island" game. If you eliminate this game I think you wipe out most of the arrogance and mindset of the the way the roster was built from then on out.
Stop #1- Go to May 2010 and convince Montreal that Game 1 of the EC Semis was legit and pull Halak for the rest of the series. Or you could just go Tanya Harding on him and remove him completely from the equation.
Stop #2- Go to Feb 11th, 2011 and just completely wipe out the "Brawl on the Island" game. If you eliminate this game I think you wipe out most of the arrogance and mindset of the the way the roster was built from then on out.
Ragamuffin Gunner
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Fire DB
Draft FF
Draft Saad
HM in order:
Undo Morrow for Morrow
Undo Murray for two 2nds
Don't sign Scuds
Don't sign Duper
Don't sign Adams
Draft FF
Draft Saad
HM in order:
Undo Morrow for Morrow
Undo Murray for two 2nds
Don't sign Scuds
Don't sign Duper
Don't sign Adams
Ogrezilla
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Stop #3 - Go to Winter Classic against Capitals and sit Crosby for that shift when he gets hit and replace with Adams.
Shady Machine
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Drafting FF and Saad fixes almost all our issues up front. I'm sure a lot of teams would ask for do overs on Saad, but damn that one hurts.
Kristopher Letang
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Everything has been said, so I guess I will just add secondary things.
- Fire Meloche and hire Bales or any other competent coach before the damage.
- Fire Meloche and hire Bales or any other competent coach before the damage.
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Fordy
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obviously if i'm in a time machine i fire bylsma and shero as early as possible even if it doesn't make sense. like day after winning the cup. roll the dice that however the next 5 years play out is better than the top 10 all-time embarrassment we got
Coastal Kev
There will be "I told you so's" Bet on it
I was on the same bandwagon at the time. When I heard the Pens signed two dmen, I was hoping for Bruisers, instead we got Charmin.
Ogrezilla
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I don't think you could convince me that signing Martin has been a negative. He has been good far more often than not.
Winger for Hire
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I was more upset over putting all the eggs in the Parise/Suter basket and panicking when that fell through than signing Martin and Z.
Martin and Z filled a longterm need. Parise and Suter holding pattern helped the team miss out on basically 2 full tiers of free agents.
Saying you'd fire Bylsma and/or Shero if you had a time machine, as a Pens fan, is the equivalent of a regular person saying they'd kill Hitler if they had one. It's a given.
Martin and Z filled a longterm need. Parise and Suter holding pattern helped the team miss out on basically 2 full tiers of free agents.
Saying you'd fire Bylsma and/or Shero if you had a time machine, as a Pens fan, is the equivalent of a regular person saying they'd kill Hitler if they had one. It's a given.
I am going to go a different route. If we could revisit the Whitney for Kunitz + and the Gogo for Neal + trades we would be better off I think. The trades in themselves were great...don't get me wrong. But I beleive they shaped Shero's strategy for building the team: "Hey...all I need to do is stockpile puck moving defensemen then I can trade them for whatever I like." That strategy was made worse when Bylsma didn't play the young defensement (maximizing the benefit of cheap, productive players) and Shero proceeded to sign/trade for more defensemen (Eaton, Scuderi, Crankshaft, etc). I think this strategy, which was kicked off by those trades, is what got the Penguins into the mess they are now in.
Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
What you're basically saying is keep the trades as is, but fire the guy who failed to continue to execute the plan and the guy who failed to use the pieces he was given.
Sooooo... Fire Shero and Blymsa
WayneSid9987
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All about drafting. Don't let Shero make the decisions, hire actual scouts then make these changes to the drafts
2011:
#23 - Replace Morrow with Saad
#54 - Replace Harrington with Kucherov (I like Harrington but we had enough D)
#174 - Replace Archibald with Palat
2012:
#8 - Replace Pouliot with Forsberg
#22 - Keep Maatta
#83 - Replace Murray (G) w F.Anderson (G)
By doing this we would not have traded for Brendan Morrow which would have been fine. We would be thinner in depth on the blue line but this would set up the top 9 and also Anderson would have been a legit replacement for Fleury.
2011:
#23 - Replace Morrow with Saad
#54 - Replace Harrington with Kucherov (I like Harrington but we had enough D)
#174 - Replace Archibald with Palat
2012:
#8 - Replace Pouliot with Forsberg
#22 - Keep Maatta
#83 - Replace Murray (G) w F.Anderson (G)
By doing this we would not have traded for Brendan Morrow which would have been fine. We would be thinner in depth on the blue line but this would set up the top 9 and also Anderson would have been a legit replacement for Fleury.
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