Player Discussion Thomas Vanek

[Wo Yorfat]

I haven't hated him. As a bad team, I'd rather an offensive player vs a lesser skilled grinder who provides equal value. As far as the deadline, it'll come down to luck. If a strong team loses a skilled winger to injury, maybe they give us a 3rd, whatever.

 

[ItalianCanuck1]

Most exciting slapshot since Salo?

 

[MS]

I said this in one of the GDTs, but will say again how much watching him play reminds me of old, former great soccer players like Dennis Bergkamp and Carlos Valdarrama at age 36-37, where they seemed to jog around completely uselessly and slower than molasses for most of game and you'd wonder why they were there, and then they'd pull one moment of pure genius out of the bag at a key point.

Vanek looks like crap 95% of the time but once or twice/game shows the skills that at one point made him arguably the most dangerous sniper in the NHL outside of Ovechkin.

As a fan, he's fun to watch on that account and adds some scoring depth in sheltered minutes. If I was a GM of a playoff team, would I trade anything significant to add this player to my roster? Absolutely not.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

I really hate this player on this team at this time. He's reminding me of Vrbata in his year-long sulk at being taken off the Sedin line.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Hate this player. I do not expect him back beyond this year. Just a complete merc floater.

 

[vancityluongo]

Slapshot Vanek in the top-6 > Megna. This team is sinking fast, so it's not like there are actually playoff consequences at stake here. Would much rather have an interesting enigma than some run of the mill grinder that would be trying 400% higher and generating a similar lack of results.

 

[Ziostilon]

Hate this player. I do not expect him back beyond this year. Just a complete merc floater.

Vanek is what you call a placeholder

If he is back next year, that means the prospects still aren't ready

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Slapshot Vanek in the top-6 > Megna. This team is sinking fast, so it's not like there are actually playoff consequences at stake here. Would much rather have an interesting enigma than some run of the mill grinder that would be trying 400% higher and generating a similar lack of results.

Or what about Goldobin or Rodin? At least you can say they're getting a chance out of the AHL that way, maybe one or the other shows a bit of life.

 

[vancityluongo]

Or what about Goldobin or Rodin? At least you can say they're getting a chance out of the AHL that way, maybe one or the other shows a bit of life.

Well, yeah. Goldobin being on the roster would be ideal, but I suppose if we rule out that option and look at it as Vanek vs Megna... I find one much more interesting to watch than the other.

 

[timw33]

Yeah I can't really see teams banging down the doors to pick up Vanek for their playoff run.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Vanek is what you call a placeholder

If he is back next year, that means the prospects still aren't ready

Or, that Benning still misjudges their readiness.

There's a certain of pain required to make a gain with prospects. Goldobin was in that situation this year. He should have been on the roster. If both he and Vanek have troubles away from the puck, what is the difference in exchanging one for the other?

I still think the Vanek signing was made by a GM who is desperate to keep his job. He was reaching for anything that could help the team now.

 

[nuckfan insk]

Umm and if he gets us a 3rd rounder and allows us to promote Goldie .......I’d say that’s a win

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Umm and if he gets us a 3rd rounder and allows us to promote Goldie .......I’d say that’s a win

Yeah, two things about that.

A) Benning never trades roster players for draft picks. The only times he has ever done that he immediately flipped the pick for Vey or threw the pick he got for Bieksa into the Sutter deal. He literally has never traded a player for a pick and actually used it to draft someone. Never.

B) Vanek isn't allowing us to promote Goldobin. He occupies a roster spot that Goldobin could. That's the opposite of promoting.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

I said this in one of the GDTs, but will say again how much watching him play reminds me of old, former great soccer players like Dennis Bergkamp and Carlos Valdarrama at age 36-37, where they seemed to jog around completely uselessly and slower than molasses for most of game and you'd wonder why they were there, and then they'd pull one moment of pure genius out of the bag at a key point.

I don't need much excuse to look at this again

 

[wonton15]

Hopefully a GM is a clueless statwatcher and Vanek continues his scoring pace. He is an extremely deceiving player - clearly has the offensive upside but gives zero effort.

 

[sting101]

Or, that Benning still misjudges their readiness.

There's a certain of pain required to make a gain with prospects. Goldobin was in that situation this year. He should have been on the roster. If both he and Vanek have troubles away from the puck, what is the difference in exchanging one for the other?

I still think the Vanek signing was made by a GM who is desperate to keep his job. He was reaching for anything that could help the team now.

yes it kinda disgusts me that the line that we use as a sheltered offensive group is a bunch of cast off hacks that are taking away ice from Virtanen and Goldobin.

There was no way that they needed to add Vanek to the group that they had already signed. I actually haven't minded his game so far but i just know that the reasons why no one wanted these guys is about to become clearer as the season wears on.

 

[Ziostilon]

Or, that Benning still misjudges their readiness.

There's a certain of pain required to make a gain with prospects. Goldobin was in that situation this year. He should have been on the roster. If both he and Vanek have troubles away from the puck, what is the difference in exchanging one for the other?

I still think the Vanek signing was made by a GM who is desperate to keep his job. He was reaching for anything that could help the team now.

If Goldy was in the majors, his leash would be even shorter

He's still young, he can still be molded. If you let him play with one mistake after another, then that creates bad habits

 

[VanJack]

Hopefully a GM is a clueless statwatcher and Vanek continues his scoring pace. He is an extremely deceiving player - clearly has the offensive upside but gives zero effort.

Yes, Vanek's value to the Canucks will be borne out at the trade deadline.....if he has a nice bounce-back season some GM desperate for playoff depth scoring will take a bit of the bait......then his ultimate value will be what Jimbo can parlay him into in terms of draft picks....but I'm sure the Wings had the same idea at least year's deadline but settled for d-man Dylan McIlrath and a conditioner third rounder....But I'd be more than happy with a prospect and a pick at this year's deadline.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

That's not how it works. You aren't going to see an NHL look at a statline and think, well, he's scored 15 goals, so he'll help us score without considering context

 

[TruGr1t]

Meh he's not near the top of my list of problems with the team.

Plus he's good for a couple hilarious moments per game where you're left wondering what the heck he was doing during a play.

 

[JuniorNelson]

I'm thinking Gagne and Vanek are Sedin replacements, in the event of a long term injury? The remaining Sedin can carry on. So, Eriksson, Sedin and Vanek or Sedin, Gagne and Vanek. This was modeled last Summer before the emergence of some prospects. It's a prudent stance if you are trying to wring the last possible bit of value from the twins.

 

[JuniorNelson]

I'm thinking Gagne and Vanek are Sedin replacements, in the event of a long term injury? The remaining Sedin can carry on. So, Eriksson, Sedin and Vanek or Sedin, Gagne and Vanek. This was modeled last Summer before the emergence of some prospects. It's a prudent stance if you are trying to wring the last possible bit of value from the twins.

 

[JuniorNelson]

I'm thinking Gagne and Vanek are Sedin replacements, in the event of a long term injury? The remaining Sedin can carry on. So, Eriksson, Sedin and Vanek or Sedin, Gagne and Vanek. This was modeled last Summer before the emergence of some prospects. It's a prudent stance if you are trying to wring the last possible bit of value from the twins.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

If Goldy was in the majors, his leash would be even shorter

He's still young, he can still be molded. If you let him play with one mistake after another, then that creates bad habits

What is this kick you're on about letting the kids pick up bad habits? Following the Canucks it's easy to forget sometimes the kids might actually be better than the warmed-over vets. This has happened in other places, you know.

 

[Canucks LB]

One of my favorite players back in the day. In buffalo he was so damn fun and entertaining to watch, but now he is the most hit or miss player I have ever seen.

Hes either incredible or absolutely invisible, no middle ground what so ever.