Confirmed with Link: Thomas Greiss 2 Year Deal

[jkutswings]

So this means we just take the cap hit for Vegas on MAF in a 3 team deal, but don't get the player?

Send a 1st our way, and I'd be ok with that.

 

[MBH]

Greiss and Bernier are a solid, maybe not spectacular duo but should bring stability, especially if we can add one more NHL level defensemen. We arent going to the playoffs but the talent level still has got an uptick.

We should go from 40 point pace to 66 point pace just based on goaltending.
If we get some luck with health, maybe 75 points.

 

[jkutswings]

Bernier, since about December of last year, has provided halfway decent goaltending.
Griess's numbers are going to decline in Detroit. I wouldn't count on him besting what Bernier did last year.

Thank you for countering what had been an unacceptable level of optimism and positivity.

 

[Redwing66]

Bernier, since about December of last year, has provided halfway decent goaltending.
Griess's numbers are going to decline in Detroit. I wouldn't count on him besting what Bernier did last year.

Didn't mean to rag on Bernier, excited I don't have to watch Howard another year. To even see half way decent goal tending between the two will be a nice change.

 

[SirloinUB]

Solid deal.
We needed a goalie.

Why do you think the deal is structured this way?
Is Chris Ilitch trying to limit salaries this year?

I’d say the structure is win win and we’re seeing it all across the league.

ownership saves some money in a year when revenue is uncertain but it’s also beneficial for the player. Players want it because of the significant escrow numbers.

Escrow for this year is 20% then 18 % then 10 before falling to 6. A backloaded contract gets the player significantly more money

 

[Run the Jewels]

Solid deal.
We needed a goalie.

Why do you think the deal is structured this way?
Is Chris Ilitch trying to limit salaries this year?

Wild ass guesses:

• Bernier's deal comes off the books after this year so you keep goalie salaries below $6m. No idea why, just a WAG. Then you pay Greiss the following year when you have a goalie on an ELC.
• Revenue has been very wobbly, we are not a good hockey team, and we have no idea what the upcoming season will look like, so they are being conservative

The moment of truth will be whether there is the opportunity to get a good player coming into their prime or a really good draft pick to take a cap dump and whether or not they balk. That would indicate they don't want to spend money even when there is a clear incentive to do so. To be clear, adding a good young player would have zero downside, while taking a cap dump may not be as much of a clear-cut benefit if the pick ends up being near the end of the first round or in the back half of the second round.

 

[Ricelund]

Solid deal.
We needed a goalie.

Why do you think the deal is structured this way?
Is Chris Ilitch trying to limit salaries this year?

Yeah, I bet it has to do with saving cash during the pandemic.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I don't like how a lot of our moves this year seemed aimed at saving Chris Illitch money. Sure Fleury costs twice as much, but we'd add real assets in that deal. Abdelkader could be buried in the AHL and then we wouldn't have the buyout affecting our cap in years that we might need it. Turris got bought out, we likely could have taken him with a sweetener. Each of these would have added real assets to the team and helped us get better in the future... But they'd cost the team money in a year we're not likely to make much. I get why the owner wouldn't want to do that, but as a fan I don't care about his pocket book. I want the team to win and I would much rather have Fleury and a 2nd round pick than Greiss. I'd rather bury Abdelkader than have him costing us money in 5 years. I'd rather take on more mediocre players with picks attached than sign Bobby Ryan and John Merrill.

The contract for Greiss is fine though.

 

[The Lighthouse]

You guys are going to really like him. Guy is a warrior, team guy, really good goaltender. We all loved him and are sad to see him go.

 

[Realgud]

I've always liked Greiss a lot, wow I can't believe he is the goalie Yzerman got. Awesome.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Hey guys. Isles fan checking in.

Greiss is a great goalie. You guys will like him a lot. He performs poorly when overworked but is a very reliable 1B.

 

[kliq]

On one hand I love it, on the other I was really hoping we traded for MAF/1st round pick. Oh well, my guess is he put us on his no trade list.

 

[raymond23]

Greiss must still think Stevie is Tampa’s GM. He’s gonna be in for quite the challenge in Detroit lol

 

[Ishad]

I was hoping we could pry demko out for a long term solution, but that dream died when they signed holtby. This is a good plan B.

 

[Henkka]

So this means we just take the cap hit for Vegas on MAF in a 3 team deal, but don't get the player?

Send a 1st our way, and I'd be ok with that.

Vegas is fine and not doing anything anymore. Going with 2 strong goalies and traded Stastny to solve the cap. Cody Glass is the full time center next year.

 

[Holden Caufield]

I can get behind this.

Have to give the Team/younger players a chance to win and improve the environment.

If they play their brains out and have a great game... they deserve the winning feeling.

nothing morally crushing like losing 5-4 and 3 of them were softies.

 

[DetroitRed]

He's no spring chicken, but he might be alright for another season or two.

Considering the pandemic and remembering that, for example, Boston's goalie walked out mid playoffs due relevant concerns, the next season will likely be very different. I, for one, am glad to see the Red Wings thinking in that context.

Also, I can't imagine that his play in 2020-21, if there is a 2020-21 season, won't be an improvement over how Jimmy Howard played not only last season but the season before last. Albeit, it's hard not to improve over Jimmy Howard's play last season, and I'm not trying to get smart, it's just what seems like reality to me.

I can live with this.

 

[Kyleftlx]

I don't like how a lot of our moves this year seemed aimed at saving Chris Illitch money. Sure Fleury costs twice as much, but we'd add real assets in that deal. Abdelkader could be buried in the AHL and then we wouldn't have the buyout affecting our cap in years that we might need it. Turris got bought out, we likely could have taken him with a sweetener. Each of these would have added real assets to the team and helped us get better in the future... But they'd cost the team money in a year we're not likely to make much. I get why the owner wouldn't want to do that, but as a fan I don't care about his pocket book. I want the team to win and I would much rather have Fleury and a 2nd round pick than Greiss. I'd rather bury Abdelkader than have him costing us money in 5 years. I'd rather take on more mediocre players with picks attached than sign Bobby Ryan and John Merrill.

The contract for Greiss is fine though.

Who is to say we can’t have both, assets for Fleury’s cap hit on our books, AND Greiss? Vegas is in on Pietrangelo hard right now- if he gets serious about signing there, Vegas is absolutely going to have to make a deal to make the cap situation work. I bet there’s something lined up involving Fleury but Vegas isn’t going to pull the trigger unless they absolutely know they need to give up those assets. If they pulled the trigger on a deal and then lose out on their guy, they’re out a good goaltender, a high draft pick / asset, and now have a bunch of cap space.

just a thought! Detroit could still be a middle man in a deal.

 

[KasperTheGrittyGhost]

So this means we just take the cap hit for Vegas on MAF in a 3 team deal, but don't get the player?

Send a 1st our way, and I'd be ok with that.

Or swap goalies with the team acquiring MAF.
Bernier to VGK, MAF to CAR/COL/EDM, Mrazek/Francouz/Koskinen here for a host of prospects + picks.

 

[kliq]

Vegas is fine and not doing anything anymore. Going with 2 strong goalies and traded Stastny to solve the cap. Cody Glass is the full time center next year.

Yesterday afternoon all reports were that Vegas were shopping MAF + half of his salary retained with a 2nd round pick. Did new reports come out? Or are you speculating?

 

[kliq]

Or swap goalies with the team acquiring MAF.
Bernier to VGK, MAF to CAR/COL/EDM, Mrazek/Francouz/Koskinen here for a host of prospects + picks.

That actually makes sense, never even thought of it. Detroit could easily trade Bernier with half is salary retained for MAF at full salary + a 1st. Win-Win. Gives Vegas a ton of cap with a great backup at dirt cheap, gives us a great goalie to play with Griess, plus a 1st.

 

[BinCookin]

Solid deal.
We needed a goalie.

Why do you think the deal is structured this way?
Is Chris Ilitch trying to limit salaries this year?

Makes him harder to trade in year 2. Greiss probably wanted to be in Detroit for 2 years without being moved at the deadline to become a backup. He wants to show he can be a starter than hit UFA again for a bigger pay day. Salary above cap hit is a good way to deter a deadline deal next year id think.

 

[BinCookin]

On one hand I love it, on the other I was really hoping we traded for MAF/1st round pick. Oh well, my guess is he put us on his no trade list.

I want this too... But not to play MAF.
I want to get assets from Vegas AND assets from a 2nd team, and they get MAF at 3.5M.

 

[SI90]

Also, because he has the ability to bail us out at times and work miracles he’s been known as Jesus Greiss

 

[Retire91]

Good move I think Bernier and Griess might complement each other pretty well for some stability in net. So excited to see a season without Howard.