This summer with a different April 18
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McGoMcD
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why bother, why pretend the world is worse lol.
Whatever would have happened it would suck. so lets just not play this game.
Whatever would have happened it would suck. so lets just not play this game.
They would have retained Mac T giving him one more year as GM, and Nelson would have been brought back.
Derek Roy resigned 2 years at 1.5 per
Cody Franson signed at 5 years x 5 mill per (Sekera would've turned them down).
I think they probably would have gone after Cam Talbot and still gotten him.
Take Hanifin at 3.
Derek Roy resigned 2 years at 1.5 per
Cody Franson signed at 5 years x 5 mill per (Sekera would've turned them down).
I think they probably would have gone after Cam Talbot and still gotten him.
Take Hanifin at 3.
ChaoticOrange
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Ugh. Just thinking about our lineup with Franson over Sekera and Roy over McDavid makes me sick.
Nelson wouldn't have been coach as MacT talked to McLellan as soon as he left San Jose. Chia and McLellan would both be here as someone higher up fired Eakins and not MacT. MacT is no longer the GM because he refused to fire fitness garu Eakins.
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Mact is no longer the gm because Katz feared another Lindros situation with McDavid. Mact would still be large and in charge without the lottery balls going our way.
I think you're wrong.
Nicholson was making these changes regardless imo. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the summer played out exactly the same regardless of the lottery win, just that we would have Hanifin instead of McDavid and the Reinhart deal wouldn't have happened.
Roy probably would have been re-signed as well.
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I am someone that thinks McDavid changed everything. I would bet something happened like Bettman calling Katz to have a serious conversation about the gift Katz was given, about how important McDavid was to the future of the NHL and asking if Katz truly felt he was providing the best environment for McDavid to emerge at the NHL's next superstar. The answer to that question would obviously be HELL NO, and it was time to get serious before Katz got to be known as the owner that ruined McDavid.
I think without McDavid, MacT gets his development year, Nelson is HC, we draft Hanafin, Sekera doesn't come here and we resign Roy. Since analytics folks seem to be in love with Franson, we probably sign him and pull out hair out next year seeing a Nikitin/Franson pairing.
I think without McDavid, MacT gets his development year, Nelson is HC, we draft Hanafin, Sekera doesn't come here and we resign Roy. Since analytics folks seem to be in love with Franson, we probably sign him and pull out hair out next year seeing a Nikitin/Franson pairing.
I'm sure they spoke, but I think McLellan in that case (no McDavid) would've opted to coach a team like Detroit or Buffalo or something instead. In fact I think if the supposed alternate history here is that Buffalo wins the lottery getting McDavid, wouldn't surprise me if Buffalo would have McLellan behind the bench. Bylsma was probably their no.3/4 choice.
Nelson had the team play well enough down the stretch to earn another season honestly, I think after Eakins-gate though the Oilers just wanted to do their due dilligence (otherwise known as doing your job) and actually interview all good candidates.
probably because we've lived a world that has been at its worst for the last 9 years. We came dangerously close to continuing that trend, about 1 number away lol.
Whenever I have a bad day, I just remember we have connor mcdavid and my day feels better.
McGoMcD
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McLellan said he wanted to say in the west so no chance he would have gone to either Detroit or Buffalo since both teams are in the east. MacT didn't like Nelson.
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The team probably would have been a 75 pt team next season... probably coached by Nelson... probably with some gradual improvement in the young D and F group... probably still under MacT as GM... and likely without Talbot.
I honestly think Sather did his old team a good turn after seeing Sweeney/Neely stick it to the Oilers and Chiarelli. I don't know if Talbot would have ended up here otherwise. I think that was a "for old time's sake" trade when Sather saw McDavid (the "new Gretzky") was here and how putrid the goaltending was... he wanted to help out the team with a helpful push in net.
I agree Sekera likely wouldn't be here and who knows what other mediocre changes/additions would have been made.
One thing is for sure... the chances that next November we would have been talking about Matthews and calculating the lottery odds would have been much higher than the (thankfully) alternate timeline that actually played out.
I do like Hanafin though and think he'll develop into a solid top pairing dman... but saying that... MacT and that wonderful scouting staff may have traded down and even missed out on the best D in the draft.
I honestly think Sather did his old team a good turn after seeing Sweeney/Neely stick it to the Oilers and Chiarelli. I don't know if Talbot would have ended up here otherwise. I think that was a "for old time's sake" trade when Sather saw McDavid (the "new Gretzky") was here and how putrid the goaltending was... he wanted to help out the team with a helpful push in net.
I agree Sekera likely wouldn't be here and who knows what other mediocre changes/additions would have been made.
One thing is for sure... the chances that next November we would have been talking about Matthews and calculating the lottery odds would have been much higher than the (thankfully) alternate timeline that actually played out.
I do like Hanafin though and think he'll develop into a solid top pairing dman... but saying that... MacT and that wonderful scouting staff may have traded down and even missed out on the best D in the draft.
McShogun99
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Here's what I think would have happened.
-The internal house cleaning wouldn't have happened until next off season. Lowe, Mac T and the scouting and coaching staff would have had 1 more year.
- Nelson would be the head coach.
- Oilers draft Strome, trade a 1st and 2 2nds for Hamilton.
- Oilers don't add Sekera, Gryba, Reinhart, Letestu or Korpikowsky.
- Oilers trade Yakupov to NYR for Talbot and Mcillrath.
- Oilers sign Franson and Stewart.
-Nikitin gets bought out, Marincin still gets traded, Roy is not resigned.
Next years starting lineup is this:
Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Draisaitl-Stewart
Strome-Lander-Purcell
Hendricks-Gordon-Klinkhammer
Klefbom-Hamilton
Nurse-Franson
Ference-Schultz
Wanted to, but it's not like he hasn't lived in the West for several years with Detroit.
I don't think Katz would've authorized Mac T to spend big dollars on another coach either, not with the Eakins boo-boo on the books for another several seasons. McJackpot changed all that.
Buffalo would've payed through the rear end to get McLellan and would've had McDavid too ... easy decision for him.
I think Mac T liked Nelson fine, but after realizing the mistake he made with Eakins he finally realized it's not a good idea to hire the first person who seems like a decent fit.
completely disagree. this is a business, there are no favours. it is his responsibility to do whats best for the team (best trade out there).
I don't know...
Sekera signed in Edmonton because they offered the same money with 1 more year of term than any other team. I don't think McDavid was a bigger motivator than 5.5 million dollars.
There are 30 GM and 30 Head coach jobs available and only about 6 openings in any given offseason. Are the Leafs or the Devils more attractive to a GM than the Oilers were/are? I can't imagine so. There's a lot of raw playdo here to work with and hopefully less rebuild in front of us.
McLellan to the Oilers always made sense. His wife and family are remaining in the bay area, so distance is a factor. He wasn't going east. He had ties to MacTavish. Had a good Worlds run with Hall and Eberle, got (for like a week lol) the biggest contract an NHL coach has ever had. Think that would have happened regardless of McDavid.
Maybe everything happened a lot more smoothly than it would have but I don't see much reason to hang it all on the lottery win.
Sekera signed in Edmonton because they offered the same money with 1 more year of term than any other team. I don't think McDavid was a bigger motivator than 5.5 million dollars.
There are 30 GM and 30 Head coach jobs available and only about 6 openings in any given offseason. Are the Leafs or the Devils more attractive to a GM than the Oilers were/are? I can't imagine so. There's a lot of raw playdo here to work with and hopefully less rebuild in front of us.
McLellan to the Oilers always made sense. His wife and family are remaining in the bay area, so distance is a factor. He wasn't going east. He had ties to MacTavish. Had a good Worlds run with Hall and Eberle, got (for like a week lol) the biggest contract an NHL coach has ever had. Think that would have happened regardless of McDavid.
Maybe everything happened a lot more smoothly than it would have but I don't see much reason to hang it all on the lottery win.
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McLellan probably would've been coach anyways; it seemed like there was an agreement between MacTavish and him before they won the lottery, and as others have stated, it's rumoured he wanted to stay in the west (I believe he has family in Saskatchewan as well?).
Chiarelli? Nope. MacTavish was caught by surprise by his firing; I seriously doubt this happens if the restructuring was solely due to Nicholson's forensic audit, although his 'another development year' comments might have been what did him in, not the lottery win.
Kevin Lowe, IMO, was being transitioned into his new role whether the team won the lottery or not, and I'm of the opinion it was also partly his choice. I think Nicholson was brought in last year to be groomed as his successor, and that's the way it ended up.
Chiarelli? Nope. MacTavish was caught by surprise by his firing; I seriously doubt this happens if the restructuring was solely due to Nicholson's forensic audit, although his 'another development year' comments might have been what did him in, not the lottery win.
Kevin Lowe, IMO, was being transitioned into his new role whether the team won the lottery or not, and I'm of the opinion it was also partly his choice. I think Nicholson was brought in last year to be groomed as his successor, and that's the way it ended up.
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Recent history would suggest otherwise. This was a man who hired Mact as a gm when nobody would touch him as a head coach. He also didnt want to fire him as coach in the first place if reports are to be believed and the Stuffer text would suggest they should be.
Im not sure Chia would have come here without McDavid. It could just be speculation on my part but why not gas Mact before the lottery balls dropped?
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I think if we didn't win the lottery, management would be retained and the off-season of 2015 would be very gloomy and melancholy. The days leading up to April 18, the mood surrounding the team was the lowest I have ever seen. Coming off 9 years of missing the playoffs and on top of that, setting a franchise record for lowest amount of wins (including S/O wins) with 24.
In an alternative universe where we didn't win the lottery, the mood surrounding the team would be so bad that ticket prices for the home opener would actually be affordable.
In an alternative universe where we didn't win the lottery, the mood surrounding the team would be so bad that ticket prices for the home opener would actually be affordable.
